AHC: Make the Great Powers not a Great Power anymore

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Alright, the way to do this seems like one power has to win, then die, and repeat.

Britain could "win" first, beating America, before absolutely falling apart in a "Super American Revolution".

"Super America" would just fall apart into a bunch of little states and stop existing.

In the meantime, France is completely torn apart by the Revolution, having it even spread to London and nearly crush their politics as well. Then it goes to Spain.

With centralization not doing too well, the Confederation and Austria decide to remain a Confederation.

Forevar. Somewhere along the lines Japan and China don't modernize due to very little interference.


How about Russia...?
And I think China will still modernize, sooner or later, with or without outside interference...
 
How about Russia...?
And I think China will still modernize, sooner or later, with or without outside interference...

Thoughed I said this before, but any way. A semi-succesfull Russian revolution splitting European Russia and Siberia. Each of the the new countries hating each others guts, but not powerfull enough to destroy the other.
 
Thoughed I said this before,

Oops, sorry...haven't read that...

but any way. A semi-succesfull Russian revolution splitting European Russia and Siberia. Each of the the new countries hating each others guts, but not powerfull enough to destroy the other.

Anyway, in that ATL wouldn't European Russia and Siberia becoming the new great powers? (especially in the absence of US, UK, France, Germany)
Maybe we should balkanize them even more...?

Ditto with China, although I'm not sure how to do that...
 
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So any idea about how to make China fragmented without European imperialism?
A massive war with Russia and Japan? (or maybe with superpower Mexico and India?)
 
Nuclear war between USSR & China against US & NATO in (say) 1986.

Ta-da!

I want ALL of the nations, which were I mentioned in the first post of this thread, to be not becoming present-day great power...

I already have some ways to screw those nations, except China (which is why I'm asking about China in my earlier post):
- UK: lose the War of 1812, Canada annexed by US, Ireland regained independence, EIC bankrupted, British Empire collapsed
- US: annexed Canada in 1812 and Mexico in 1848, collapsed because of overextension and massive civil war
- Russia: Napoleon's invasion was more successful, collapsed into several Siberian states
- France: won the Napoleonic War, but then collapsed because of overextension and civil wars
- Germany: never become unified
- Japan: no Meiji Reforms
- China: ???
 
You think they could survive a nuclear war and return to great-power status in 24 years?

Ah, sorry, it looks like I've missed your point... :D
Anyway, interesting idea...but which nations that you think will emerge as new superpowers in 21st century...?
Brazil? India?
 
Ah, sorry, it looks like I've missed your point... :D
Anyway, interesting idea...but which nations that you think will emerge as new superpowers in 21st century...?
Brazil? India?
Without Europe and America to export to (Or import food from), I don't think India is going to have a good time of it. Brazil might be alright, but they could be heading for an environmental disaster as the temperature drops and they need more rain forest land for farming anyway.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Indonesia. Lots of people, lots of resources, on the equator, not a target and near a lot of other countries that may miss out on the war and not be too terribly effected.
 
You think they could survive a nuclear war and return to great-power status in 24 years?


There we go! I wanted to make sure that my concept was addressed, that is, a nuclear conflict in the mid-1980s :D

Thus, POD, and the Great Powers are rubble-ized. (Population, economic capacity, rather reduced.)
 
I want ALL of the nations, which were I mentioned in the first post of this thread, to be not becoming present-day great power...

I already have some ways to screw those nations, except China (which is why I'm asking about China in my earlier post):
- UK: lose the War of 1812, Canada annexed by US, Ireland regained independence, EIC bankrupted, British Empire collapsed
- US: annexed Canada in 1812 and Mexico in 1848, collapsed because of overextension and massive civil war
- Russia: Napoleon's invasion was more successful, collapsed into several Siberian states
- France: won the Napoleonic War, but then collapsed because of overextension and civil wars
- Germany: never become unified
- Japan: no Meiji Reforms
- China: ???

China’s simple, I think: without the interference of the western powers, the Qing maintain control of the country for another 100 years or so before the pressures on resources caused by China’s rapidly growing population* tear it about with peasant revolts.
Granted this is not going to permanently reduce China from great power status but it could leave China weak and divided for decades before it is reunited and can being the long process of recovery. This at least means that China is not a great power in the late 20th century, early 21st century.

*Seriously the growth of China’s population between the 18th and 20th century is pretty impressive, especially with all the famines and the civil wars etc.
 
Yellow Stone Erupts in 1883 along with Krakatoa, the 1815 Eruption of Tambora also waits until 1883.

Spanish Influenza strikes 25 years earlier in Europe. Massive civil unrest occurs.

Tunguska actually strikes London. (thats post 1900 but close enough :)
 
Would it be possible to have a resurgent Spain in the 19th century with enough naval power to counter Britain and/or France (or play the two off each other to weaken both) in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean? Maybe Spain goes the dominion route with Mexico so Mexico keeps the Southwest.
 
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