AHC: Make The Force Awakens Even Better

I woulda split it into two movies. Make the first movie about finding Luke, throwing in hints about a imminent super weapon the First Order is building, and then have it come out of nowhere in the last five minutes, blow up a important New Republic Military shipyard or whatever, bam, credits roll.
 
That's interesting. Does that mean that the Imperial Remnant mends its ways, or that the Imperial Ethic wasn't actually as evil as was made out originally? Or that even Imperial awfulness is better than what the corrupt New Republic offers?

Sort of both .In this TL of mine Thrawn began to reform the empire and as things got worse and worse for the remnant on the front in order to placate the masses reform was enacted across the board .Things are still not idyllic but by the time of book takes place they are better then they are in the Republic .
 
I'd say the main problem with TFA is it allows the outside world into the movie way, way too much. And I thought that was a problem with the obsession over Darth Vader in the prequels, but TFA takes the cake in that regard.
 
Sort of both .In this TL of mine Thrawn began to reform the empire and as things got worse and worse for the remnant on the front in order to placate the masses reform was enacted across the board .Things are still not idyllic but by the time of book takes place they are better then they are in the Republic .

It'd be a great sandbox to play with various themes -- one that springs to my mind is peoples' desire for security, as exemplified by a cohesive and orderly (though still pretty authoritarian) Imperial remnant, and as opposed to a turbulent and loosely-bound fledgling republic which probably has emerging disputes between and within members.

Anyway, I'd read such a book as you describe.
 

Martynn

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Explain more of the backstory - and dont remake Episode 4.

Start with something like: "Star Wars Music"

The Galactic Empire which has fragmented after the Battle of Endor has rebuilt its strenght in the unknown regions and attacked the newly formed New Republic.

Meanwhile Jedi Master Luke Skywalker is tracking his former apprentice Kylo Ren who has destroyed all of Lukes attempts to form a new Jedi Order.

While the besieged New Republic fights a desperate battle for its survival, the Jedi Masters quest takes him to an unknown planet holding a dark secret.....

The planet could be a cloning facility producing thousands of dark jedi/sith - or something else - still better than the superweapon threat.
 
I agree that the movie had way to many one in a million coincidences and that all the humor did not really fit into a Star Wars movie .
Plus common Finn had spent his entire life (Presumably since he was taken at a young age) to be a killing machine and throughout the whole movie he sucked .I refuse to believe this is due to the idea that the bad guys always have badly trained poor shots for soldiers so this had to be due more to the writers wanting him to be saved by the overpowered junk scavenger from the freakin desert .

What were some of these coincidences? I saw the movie twice and I can't recall any such occasions.
 
But yes, the lack of world-establishment is the biggest problem for me. The Republic just seems too... small, the way it's (barely) depicted in the film. With a Galactic Republic, why is a Resistance even needed? Tim Zahn's Thrawn trilogy provides a good template on how to depict a war between a dominant Republic and a vestigial Empire that has been forced to rely on the same hit-and-run tactics that the Rebels once used, but gradually becomes increasingly dangerous towards the climax of the final part.

Speaking of Zahn's Thrawn trilogy, I think if they had made Episode VII the Thrawn Trilogy with the serial numbers filed off (with Zahn's permission and assistance, of course) instead of doing the same with A New Hope, then they could've had some serious potential. I know I would've loved it a lot more, although instead you'd probably bring up a million complaints about that or how they ruined Heir to the Empire and all. But the fact remains that the writing present there is far superior to what we got, and it would take a monumental effort akin to George Lucas's prequel writing or worse to ruin a film based on the basic plot you have, even once you changed the names and such.
 
What were some of these coincidences? I saw the movie twice and I can't recall any such occasions.

The odds that the one exact droid the New Order is looking for to find Skywalker winds up in the hands of the one new Jedi that can defeat Kylo would be what, fifty trillion to one? Then the odds the ship they steal in the Falcon would be a hundred billion to one? Then the odds this would bring Solo to them might be a million to one? Then the odds that the new Galactic baddie would be the son of Solo and Leia? Then the odds a bunch of X-wings could 'figure it out in hyperspace on the way', how to blow up an entire planet? What are the odds the Empire is still too stupid to make their Death Stars X-Wing proof?
 
The odds that the one exact droid the New Order is looking for to find Skywalker winds up in the hands of the one new Jedi that can defeat Kylo would be what, fifty trillion to one? Then the odds the ship they steal in the Falcon would be a hundred billion to one? Then the odds this would bring Solo to them might be a million to one? Then the odds that the new Galactic baddie would be the son of Solo and Leia? Then the odds a bunch of X-wings could 'figure it out in hyperspace on the way', how to blow up an entire planet? What are the odds the Empire is still too stupid to make their Death Stars X-Wing proof?

As Han Solo said, "Never tell me the odds."
 
Speaking of Zahn's Thrawn trilogy, I think if they had made Episode VII the Thrawn Trilogy with the serial numbers filed off (with Zahn's permission and assistance, of course) instead of doing the same with A New Hope, then they could've had some serious potential. I know I would've loved it a lot more, although instead you'd probably bring up a million complaints about that or how they ruined Heir to the Empire and all. But the fact remains that the writing present there is far superior to what we got, and it would take a monumental effort akin to George Lucas's prequel writing or worse to ruin a film based on the basic plot you have, even once you changed the names and such.

I think a lot of us viewed Zahn's first trilogy as effectively Episodes VII, VIII, and IX for a long time.
 
The odds that the one exact droid the New Order is looking for to find Skywalker winds up in the hands of the one new Jedi that can defeat Kylo would be what, fifty trillion to one? Then the odds the ship they steal in the Falcon would be a hundred billion to one? Then the odds this would bring Solo to them might be a million to one? Then the odds that the new Galactic baddie would be the son of Solo and Leia? Then the odds a bunch of X-wings could 'figure it out in hyperspace on the way', how to blow up an entire planet? What are the odds the Empire is still too stupid to make their Death Stars X-Wing proof?
The Force: George Lucas's handy explanation for any in-universe unlikely coincidences since 1977.
 
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