AHC: make the allies win WW2 as soon as possible

Yes, that would probably the fastest way, but I doubt Stalin would do that. I don't think he had a lot of doubt about the intentions of the nazi's, but he didn't trust the western countries either. So he didn't really get involved in their quarrels.
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This is backwards. In March 1939 the USSR initiated negotiations with France and Britain for a anti German alliance. Virulent anti Communists in Chamberlain's & Daladier cabinets rejected the idea. A meeting was eventually made. Stalin sent a top diplomatic team, the Brits sent a set of second tier men without authority to negotiate anything. The French government dithered & the Soviet reps came back to Moscow with nothing.
 
There would not even have been a war if France had mobilized during the Sudetenland crisis. The German general staff had decided to overthrow Hitler and the Nazis if France made it clear it would go to war to protect its Czechoslovakian ally.

Or the earlier Rhineland crisis, or the Austrian Anschluss. Without last minute Italian support the Anschluss may never have been successful.
 
Doesn't meet the OP of no change pre Poland.

I think the best bet is to have Germany follow the original plan of a repeat Schlieffen which the WAllies were ready for and would probably have stopped somewhere in Belgium. At that point time and the blockade will see Germany ground down.
Germany was planning to do that. But a German General was flying over allied territory to do some first hand reconnaissance and crashed due to mechanical failure, the idiot had the entire plans of the German invasion with him . So the Germans had to improvise.
The general who came up with the idea of the Ardens thrust couldn't get a meeting with Hitler, he wound up meeting Hitler in a restaurant by sheer luck.
 
Hi All! I wanted to just add my own two cents:
1. Don't care about Poland LOL, my POD will be with Germany vs France
Starting from OP's requirement of 1939,
  • Allies sanction and blockade Germany as per usual,
  • British buy out all oil from Romania, leaving none left for the Germans, (planned this in OTL)
  • As the Baltic freezes in winter, Swedish shipments of iron have to go around the North Sea, Allies cut off any shipments to Germany, (planned this in OTL)
  • Stalin is more manipulative in this TL, he cuts off supplies to the Germans at crucial moments during the German push west (because he plans to back stab the Germans in this TL) (Plus: the Nazi's believed that Stalin would've done this in OTL too, so I definitely think this is far from ASB).
  • Nazis continue with a full Panzer assault through the Ardennes, just like in OTL (East Belgian Forrests), big POD coming up,
  • The French only guarded the Ardennes with a small amount of second rate troops (They predicted the terrain to be too hostile for Panzers, which it was), Instead, the French make sure equally guard all parts of the Belgian border. (Originally the French put the best troops of their entire army along the west Belgian border, however they are now much more equally dispersed,
  • Lets give the Nazi's the benefit of the doubt, the Panzers are able to still make a good push against a way better French force than in OTL, even despite that, reinforcements would be coming in hot. Not to mention, as previously stated, the terrain was not friendly for Panzers (the Nazi's had to move swiftly through the Ardennes), but now their forces would be dramatically slowed down, and eventually with French reinforcements, would be facing the best of the french army in unforgiving terrain
  • I want to remind the reader that Hitler called for a full panzer invasion through the Ardennes, if they fail to push through, essentially the entire German panzer force is kaput. On top of that, the main German supplier of Oil, Iron, and Food was the soviets, who would have decided to backstab the Germans.
  • Any German Panzer spearhead would have been cut off by now fully mobilized French tanks. Once again, these panzers would have lower supplies, and be in difficult terrain where they HAD TO MOVE FAST
  • Essentially the Panzer invasion is a failure. Hitler put his chips all his chips in, so did the French in OTL, but not in this TL, The Nazi's panzer force is demolished, and they are cut off from supplies.
  • As a response to the failed Panzer invasion, Dutch morale is raise, and now the Dutch are much more inclined to at least hold off the Germans.
  • French counter attack begins, they secure the Belgian-German Border, and also begin heading through Luxembourg, French supply lines directly lead to the southern dutch border
  • As the summer of 1940 progresses a Germany without supplies, without their Panzers, and their six armored divisions are forced to resort more and more on their infantry, which is slowly running low on food, due to the Soviets cutting off their trade supplies.
  • Anglo-Dutch-French troops are able to cross the German border swiftly capturing everything west of the Rhine in the fall of 1940
  • An Un-disciplined and un-prepared Italian military is forced to bare the brunt of a fully supplied French and British offensive.
  • Stalin, seeing Germany's inevitable defeat begins the soviet invasion of Nazi-occupied Poland, spending the winter of 1940, as well as much of 1941 capturing all of Poland and devastating the axis in the Balkans.
  • Because of Germany's desperate situation, they cannot aid Finland nearly as much as OTL, leaving them to deal with an angry Stalin looking for revenge during the continuation war
  • The Nazi's are forced to divert a great deal of their attention towards the eastern front which is being pillaged by soviets with an immense amount of manpower and supplies, this forces the Nazi's to have less military defenses on their western front
  • By the spring of 1941, Dutch, Belgian, Anglo, and French troops push past Cologne and Nuremburg, racing towards Bremen and Munich
  • Germany military policy attempts to mimic that of 1945 OTL when they were in full defensive mode, however by 1942 the Nazi's would have nowhere near enough supplies left to maintain their military, every tank, plane, and artillery that is being destroyed cannot be repaired, due to a lack of iron. German counter offensive strategies continue to become more and more limited due to a lack of oil, and more reliant on infantry. Finally, Germany infantry is forced to ration less and less food due to a lack of agricultural supplies (or food in layman's terms).
  • The Italians quickly lose Libya back in 1940, and by 1941, the French and British have made numerous landings in Sicily, Naples, and Sardinia, unrest is rising quickly in Italy, and surrender seems inevitable
  • By 1942, the allies pass Hamburg and are less than 70 miles from Berlin, Bavaria is captured, Austria is liberated as a consequence, Italy eventually surrenders, by this time the allies have taken the entire bulk of the German Military Machine, as well as completely drained it of whatever supplies it had left
  • Towards the end of 1942 the Allies liberate Yugoslavia and Albania (greece was never taken in this TL, therefore, they are allowed military access), Bulgaria is narrowly liberated by the Allies instead of the Soviets, The Soviets "Liberate" Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Poland
  • The allies and soviets reach Berlin at about the same time, therefore Soviet East Germany will be smaller in this TL, if it even exists at all. The Nazi's surrender, Europe is won.
  • In September of 1942, the Soviets break their non aggression pact with the Japanese, and rush them even faster than in OTL, they also manage to take all of Korea in this TL by spring 1943
  • Because the US joined the war in 1941, and it ended in Europe in 1942, they gain nowhere near the same amount of global influence as they did in OTL's post ww2 world, they also suffer around the same amount of casualties, due to most of their fighting being in the Pacific
  • The Soviets and European Allies suffer about 1/4th of the casualties that they endured in OTL, ww2 is bloody, but no where near as bad as ww1 in this TL, the Europeans are able to maintain their colonies around the world much more easily, there is no need for a Marshall plan, and instead they end up funding the US and sending over supplies from 1943 to 1945 to aid the US in the pacific.
  • Because of a way more powerful Soviet force, China is liberated by the soviets, and turns communist by around 1946-1947, also, once again, Korea is unified under the communist Kim Il Sung regime.
Please reply and leave your thoughts, sorry for becoming increasingly vague as I continued with the scenario, however I justify it because of the ever building momentum since the POD I put in place.
 
Different British and French doctrines. Attack in September 39 following the attack on Poland.

Establish control of air in Western Germany
 
The quickest way would be for the USSR to renounce the non agression pact and to declare war on germany as soon as France and Britain do. That would commit Germany to a two front war they cannot win.
The POD could be soviet intelligence on future Nazi intentions being enought to change Stalin's mind.
Quickest would be France, Britain and Poland declare war over SS unit supporting terrorist in Sudetland shortly before Munich while Soviet, at the time French and Czechoslovak allies would ne suppling Czechoslovakia and Poland with necessary raw materials or were supporting allies with their Air Force which would be allowed bases in Poland and Czechoslovakia. Well actually Soviets are just needed to be sitting quietly and Germany is fucked,
 
A technical POD with the DB601 engine being a failure, leaving the Luftwaffe stuck the Bf109D and Bf110B would prevent the Germans from gaining the air superiority that made Plan Yellow possible and allow a very blunted sickle. And with allied air superiority and a better allied command the Germans could have suffered a major defeat in the west in 1940.
 
Norway goes better for the Allies (German ships are spotted earlier preventing the element of surprise) allowing a jumping off point for Denmark, cutting off Swedish iron and threatening Northern Germany.

Guderian is not invited to the planning stages for the French invasion and striking through the Ardennes is never considered as Hitler presses forward with his November 12, 1939 invasion date using Halder's plan. The Allies are ready and dug in. After months of appalling losses, Hitler is coup'ed by the military.
Jumping point for Denmark? As in a D Day in 1940?
 
Germany was planning to do that. But a German General was flying over allied territory to do some first hand reconnaissance and crashed due to mechanical failure, the idiot had the entire plans of the German invasion with him . So the Germans had to improvise.
The general who came up with the idea of the Ardens thrust couldn't get a meeting with Hitler, he wound up meeting Hitler in a restaurant by sheer luck.

I'd recommend Mays 'Strange Victory's for a analysis of the development of the Sickle Cut plan. Mays uses the original German records, vs a lot of post war myths. Horne, Chapman, Doughty, & Jackson are some others that identify a similar narrative as Mays.
 
Very likely if the Brits secure Norway in '39
With OTL airforces, the RAF couldnt provide cover for a single beach in 1942. Landing in German held ground in the heyday of the Bf 109 would be suicidal.
Germany was planning to do that. But a German General was flying over allied territory to do some first hand reconnaissance and crashed due to mechanical failure, the idiot had the entire plans of the German invasion with him . So the Germans had to improvise.
The general who came up with the idea of the Ardens thrust couldn't get a meeting with Hitler, he wound up meeting Hitler in a restaurant by sheer luck.
It was two staff officers in a liasion aircraft. Not a General.
Plan Yellow was first tried out at a war game to test the options. It went up the ladder in regulation form and Hitler approved it because it was supported by a lot of people at OKW. Which is fairly natural, since it was basically an expanded form of EvF plan for 1st Ypres done with bigger maps and tanks.
 
POD must be within the allied countries and happen after Hitler comes to power and it can not effect Germany's expansion, i.e. up until the invasion of Poland it does not effect Hitlers choices and actions.
So it must be outside Germany and not effect Polish invasion etc....

I give you an early Pacific war, US+ China v Japan.... totally detached from Europe and after 1934 so acceptable pod :p say 12 December 1937 war start over USS Panay incident?

This then has GB join in later in 38 making them even more willing to follow OTL appeasement, Germany thinks its will be allowed to get away with Poland as it did Munich (as OTL) and doesn't really regard the threat to support Poland as worth much even if by now Japan is suffering it still hold the PIs and hasn't admitted to just how much of the fleet its lost or the status of its oil tanks....Most of the British army in stuck on the other side of the world holding Malaya & DEIs.

So come 1939 shortly after September 39 the first rumours of news comes that the successful USN/RN fleet actions off Leyte and Palawan respectively.......
 
Since you liked it....,

With the IJN gutted the allies (and US is now really committed as a co-belligerent) can afford to go mostly on the defensive in the pacific. Simply taking the PIs and starving out Japan therefore they can relatively quickly transfer large forces to France out of the now rapidly expanding war production.

With Fr/GB/USA all mobilized far ore than OTL and the obvious destruction of the IJN the the European war is far easier and shorter.....
 
Hi All! I wanted to just add my own two cents:
1. Don't care about Poland LOL, my POD will be with Germany vs France
Starting from OP's requirement of 1939,
  • Allies sanction and blockade Germany as per usual,
  • British buy out all oil from Romania, leaving none left for the Germans, (planned this in OTL)
  • As the Baltic freezes in winter, Swedish shipments of iron have to go around the North Sea, Allies cut off any shipments to Germany, (planned this in OTL)
  • Stalin is more manipulative in this TL, he cuts off supplies to the Germans at crucial moments during the German push west (because he plans to back stab the Germans in this TL) (Plus: the Nazi's believed that Stalin would've done this in OTL too, so I definitely think this is far from ASB).
  • Nazis continue with a full Panzer assault through the Ardennes, just like in OTL (East Belgian Forrests), big POD coming up,
  • The French only guarded the Ardennes with a small amount of second rate troops (They predicted the terrain to be too hostile for Panzers, which it was), Instead, the French make sure equally guard all parts of the Belgian border. (Originally the French put the best troops of their entire army along the west Belgian border, however they are now much more equally dispersed,
  • Lets give the Nazi's the benefit of the doubt, the Panzers are able to still make a good push against a way better French force than in OTL, even despite that, reinforcements would be coming in hot. Not to mention, as previously stated, the terrain was not friendly for Panzers (the Nazi's had to move swiftly through the Ardennes), but now their forces would be dramatically slowed down, and eventually with French reinforcements, would be facing the best of the french army in unforgiving terrain
  • I want to remind the reader that Hitler called for a full panzer invasion through the Ardennes, if they fail to push through, essentially the entire German panzer force is kaput. On top of that, the main German supplier of Oil, Iron, and Food was the soviets, who would have decided to backstab the Germans.
  • Any German Panzer spearhead would have been cut off by now fully mobilized French tanks. Once again, these panzers would have lower supplies, and be in difficult terrain where they HAD TO MOVE FAST
  • Essentially the Panzer invasion is a failure. Hitler put his chips all his chips in, so did the French in OTL, but not in this TL, The Nazi's panzer force is demolished, and they are cut off from supplies.
  • As a response to the failed Panzer invasion, Dutch morale is raise, and now the Dutch are much more inclined to at least hold off the Germans.
  • French counter attack begins, they secure the Belgian-German Border, and also begin heading through Luxembourg, French supply lines directly lead to the southern dutch border
  • As the summer of 1940 progresses a Germany without supplies, without their Panzers, and their six armored divisions are forced to resort more and more on their infantry, which is slowly running low on food, due to the Soviets cutting off their trade supplies.
  • Anglo-Dutch-French troops are able to cross the German border swiftly capturing everything west of the Rhine in the fall of 1940
  • An Un-disciplined and un-prepared Italian military is forced to bare the brunt of a fully supplied French and British offensive.
  • Stalin, seeing Germany's inevitable defeat begins the soviet invasion of Nazi-occupied Poland, spending the winter of 1940, as well as much of 1941 capturing all of Poland and devastating the axis in the Balkans.
  • Because of Germany's desperate situation, they cannot aid Finland nearly as much as OTL, leaving them to deal with an angry Stalin looking for revenge during the continuation war
  • The Nazi's are forced to divert a great deal of their attention towards the eastern front which is being pillaged by soviets with an immense amount of manpower and supplies, this forces the Nazi's to have less military defenses on their western front
  • By the spring of 1941, Dutch, Belgian, Anglo, and French troops push past Cologne and Nuremburg, racing towards Bremen and Munich
  • Germany military policy attempts to mimic that of 1945 OTL when they were in full defensive mode, however by 1942 the Nazi's would have nowhere near enough supplies left to maintain their military, every tank, plane, and artillery that is being destroyed cannot be repaired, due to a lack of iron. German counter offensive strategies continue to become more and more limited due to a lack of oil, and more reliant on infantry. Finally, Germany infantry is forced to ration less and less food due to a lack of agricultural supplies (or food in layman's terms).
  • The Italians quickly lose Libya back in 1940, and by 1941, the French and British have made numerous landings in Sicily, Naples, and Sardinia, unrest is rising quickly in Italy, and surrender seems inevitable
  • By 1942, the allies pass Hamburg and are less than 70 miles from Berlin, Bavaria is captured, Austria is liberated as a consequence, Italy eventually surrenders, by this time the allies have taken the entire bulk of the German Military Machine, as well as completely drained it of whatever supplies it had left
  • Towards the end of 1942 the Allies liberate Yugoslavia and Albania (greece was never taken in this TL, therefore, they are allowed military access), Bulgaria is narrowly liberated by the Allies instead of the Soviets, The Soviets "Liberate" Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Poland
  • The allies and soviets reach Berlin at about the same time, therefore Soviet East Germany will be smaller in this TL, if it even exists at all. The Nazi's surrender, Europe is won.
  • In September of 1942, the Soviets break their non aggression pact with the Japanese, and rush them even faster than in OTL, they also manage to take all of Korea in this TL by spring 1943
  • Because the US joined the war in 1941, and it ended in Europe in 1942, they gain nowhere near the same amount of global influence as they did in OTL's post ww2 world, they also suffer around the same amount of casualties, due to most of their fighting being in the Pacific
  • The Soviets and European Allies suffer about 1/4th of the casualties that they endured in OTL, ww2 is bloody, but no where near as bad as ww1 in this TL, the Europeans are able to maintain their colonies around the world much more easily, there is no need for a Marshall plan, and instead they end up funding the US and sending over supplies from 1943 to 1945 to aid the US in the pacific.
  • Because of a way more powerful Soviet force, China is liberated by the soviets, and turns communist by around 1946-1947, also, once again, Korea is unified under the communist Kim Il Sung regime.
Please reply and leave your thoughts, sorry for becoming increasingly vague as I continued with the scenario, however I justify it because of the ever building momentum since the POD I put in place.

Very well thought out. But I honestly think that by the time Germany lose all its panzer divisions, Hitler gets couped and a negotiated peace ensues. There is no way Germany is going to keep fighting all the way to Berlin. No Unconditional Surrender is a real war killer.
 
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