AHC: Make some or all of these countries as Muslim as their inhabitants think

David T

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Your POD can be either pre- or post-1900. (To get it started: I suppose a different Parition could leave India 28% Muslim, Central Asian Republics deciding not to secede could leave a USSR--with the name changed to Russia after Ukraine, etc. leave--more heavily Muslim than it is, etc.)
 
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spoonzandforkz

Britain is probably headed that way in the future, especially due to English's widespread status... while Africa's is going to undergo a massive population explosion in the future. The others have too large estimates to be feasible (31% for France? Not gonna happen. Immigrants tend to securalize over time, and while I think there'll be enough immigration to keep the Muslim population growing positive year by year, I don't think it'll manage to hit 31%... maybe topping off at about 20%? Others are even harder.)

As for others, perhaps a French Imperial Federation? Germany thoroughly fucked in an alt-WW2 (think AANW, but even worse) and imports workers from Muslim countries? Singapore with less Chinese migrants, more immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh...

The others... like USA or Brazil don't seem particularly likely
 

Adeimantus

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Most of these will probably happen before 2100 except probably Brazil, US and India. Birth rates among Muslims are much higher than natives and the process of secularisation slows down the higher the numbers are, due to communities forming which prevents their culture being drowned out by the native/secular culture. Especially in Russia because they have really strong and well rooted muslim regions and communities with high birthrates, while ethnic russian fertility rate sits at about 1.5.
 

Lalli

France:

Really hard to see that happening. Perhaps best way would be keeping of Algeria but I am not sure if even that helps.

India

Probably easiest one. Just never create Pakistan.

Singapore

Not sure if this is even possible.

Russia

Perhaps best way is to keep Soviet Union around or find way how Russia could keep at least Central Asia after collapse of Soviet Union.

Belgium

Mitht happen at some point on future but this is not sure.

South Africa

Seems impossible without some very early POD.

Germany, italy and Netherlands

These seem quiet implausible. These might have higher Muslim population on future but not sure if event hat much. Not sure could Italy has that high Muslim population even if it can keep Libya, Eritrea and Somaliland. Netherlands might be possible if there would be on somne reason really huge migration from Indonesia.

United States and Canada

Seems being almost impossible. Speciality with USA I can't imaginate such scenario where such high Muslim population could happen.

Sweden, United Kingdom and Spain

Could happen on future but that is not very sure. Altough with Spain this could happen by this day if rulers of the country are much mroe tolerate and decide not expel Muslims. But this is not really likely.

Brazil

Only realistic way how this might happen is that some Muslim kingdom manage establish colonies to South America and later Portugal conquers these. But it is more difficult to get Muslim population to survive to this day.
 
Sarufiyyun

Sarufiyyun

France:

The Vichy French mount a stronger resistance forcing the Free French to rely more on Algerian and west African manpower to liberate France. Out of gratitude, France extends full citizenship rights to veterans and immediate family members following the end of the Second World War. Impetus for decolonization is rather less than OTL and thus France retains a significant chunk of territory in Africa.

India

No Muslim League. Pakistan and Bangladesh become a part of India.

Singapore

The newly independent government, in order to commit to racial harmony, decides to import Arab and Indian Muslim labor to their shores.

Russia

Have the Soviet Union survive.

Belgium

In order to develop the colony, the Belgians send agents to the Dutch East Indies to acquire laborers. The Indonesians in the Belgian Congo in a few decades have a demographic presence analogous to the Indians in Fiji. The Congo remains part of Belgium to the current day.

South Africa

As part of their schizo racial policy, Muslims are considered honorary whites by the apartheid government and encouraged to settle in the predominately black parts of South Africa.

Germany, italy and Netherlands

A combination of D-Day being a complete failure and the Germans committing to using chemical weapons. The United States unleashes the first atomic bombs on Germany, killing hundreds of thousands to millions of people. During the reconstruction process, Germany brings in more Turkish laborers than IOTL. As for the Netherlands, have them retain significant portions of the Dutch East Indies. Re: Italy, have them remain neutral in the Second World War and keep Libya. Libyans migrate to metropolitan Italy en masse looking for work and have a presence similar to the Puerto Ricans in the continental USA.

United States and Canada

Don't know how to make this work.

Sweden, United Kingdom and Spain

Same here.

Brazil

Somehow the Maronites and other Christians in the Levant do not emigrate but the Muslims do. Perhaps mostly the Druze and Alawites.
 

David T

PNWKing said:
This study is NBC, not FOX, Newsmax, or OANN. I wonder how their surveys would turn out?
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NBC didn't conduct the polls. They simply reported on what Ipsos found. https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/perceptions-are-not-reality-what-world-gets-wrong This was part of Ipsos' "Perils of Perception" series which demonstrates the not-very-surprising fact that people often get statistics wrong. (Interestingly, "At the other end of the spectrum, very high Muslim population countries underestimate their Muslim population: for example, in Turkey the actual Muslim population is 98%, but the average estimate is 81%." https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/perceptions-are-not-reality-what-world-gets-wrong)
 

The Tai-Pan

Who the heck thinks 17% of Americans are Muslim?!

Anyway, for America, the best way might be some twists of fate that most black slaves are Muslim and somehow stay that way?
 
GauchoBadger

GauchoBadger

The Tai-Pan said:
Who the heck thinks 17% of Americans are Muslim?!

Anyway, for America, the best way might be some twists of fate that most black slaves are Muslim and somehow stay that way?
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African-Americans today comprise only 13% of the US population which’d make attaining the survey’s number hard. Islam in the US being racially associated wouldn’t help its spread either.
 
Green Painting

Green Painting

For Singapore:

1) Johore Sultanate actually tried to build up Singapore with Malay immigrants before handing it
over to the British.

2) Raffles created a Javanese quarter or Muslim Indian one in Singapore, and actively recruited more muslim immigrants.

3) God forbid, the Japanese imported more Indonesian slave labours with their wives into Singapore, to man one of their military projects, and repatriation somehow failed.
 
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Analytical Engine

For Italy, maybe they annex and keep Libya and/or Italian Somaliland?

For South Africa, could a "Nation of Islam" style movement emerge there? Maybe something similar for Brazil? IDK how likely that would be, though.

Spain would probably have to annex large parts of Morocco.

For the Netherlands, maybe it keeps part of Indonesia?

Belgium and Sweden would probably have to have a colony or colonies with a large Muslim population which ends up getting annexed.
 
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