AHC: Make Saudi Arabia even more extreme

So, this might or might not be impossible to do, but create a scenario where Saudi Arabia is even more religiously extreme than in our timeline. If you can, elaborate on the differences between Saudi Arabia's OTL extremism and your scenario.
 
Whabbism is already worrying extreme, save going full on ISIS interpretation of Islam (so women are property, homosexuality punished by death) and religious rule without a Royal Family and it being lead by a council of Cleriks instead. Really I dunno much about Islam to comment.
 
Easy, have Ibn Saud, the founder of Saudi Arabia (or the "third Saudi state"), fail to suppress the Ikhwan rebellion of the late-1920s. The Ikhwan, which originally was formed as the old guard if you will of Ibn Saud's Najd army, had by the mid-20s become disillusioned with the more flexible (relatively speaking, mind you) religious policy of Ibn Saud after his conquest of the Hejaz and the Eastern province, and demanded the full implementation of Wahhabi doctrine, which would have meant, among other things, the expulsion/genocide of the Shi'a population in the East and denial of Hajj to all non-Salafi/Wahhabi Sunni Muslims, let alone the Shi'a. If they're able to successfully oust the Saudi clan from power, or install a Saudi claimant as a virtual puppet of them, then you'd instantly have the makings of an even more backward, intolerant Wahhabi-dominated state.
 
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I don't know much about them, but I know the high society enslaves some Filippino women, and they consider them to be below animals (they even refused to build a church for them) so they could force them to humiliating things due to their different religion. Maybe a Filippino demonstration would do this ...
 
Easy, have Ibn Saud, the founder of Saudi Arabia (or the "third Saudi state"), fail to suppress the Ikhwan rebellion of the late-1920s. The Ikhwan, which originally was formed as the old guard if you will of Ibn Saud's Najd army, had by the mid-20s become disillusioned with the more flexible (relatively speaking, mind you) religious policy of Ibn Saud after his conquest of the Hejaz and the Eastern province, and demanded the full implementation of Wahhabi doctrine, which would have meant, among other things, the expulsion/genocide of the Shi'a population in the East and denial of Hajj to all non-Salafi/Wahhabi Sunni Muslims, let alone the Shi'a. If they're able to successfully oust the Saudi clan from power, or install a Saudi claimant as a virtual puppet of them, then you'd instantly have the makings of an even more backward, intolerant Wahhabi-dominated state.
Good luck getting them to last against literally every other Arab country plus Iran invading them at once.
 
Good luck getting them to last against literally every other Arab country plus Iran invading them at once.

::shrugs::

Once they've firmly established themselves as an independent and later dominant power base in the Arabian Penninsula, the status quo will be recalibrated and most regional actors will just accept a pure Wahhabi state for what it is, however grudgingly. And also, knowing the history of British and American friendliness with some of the most moribund, gangsterish, and brutal regimes of the 20th century, does anyone here honestly believe they'll have any hesitations in interacting with an Ikhwan regime to get some of that sweet, sweet oil extraction?
 
It would be great though if someone could make a TL about either a successful Ikhwan rebellion or if the Grand Mosque seizure of 1979 translated into a Wahhabi revolution ousting King Khaled and installing an anti-American regime. Actually, the latter would make for a more interesting TL, as both of the "pillars of stability" for the U.S. in the Gulf region will have fallen, and it could lead to some really fascinating butterflies as to how the U.S., and the revolutionary regimes of Iran and Arabia, react to this development.
 
::shrugs::

Once they've firmly established themselves as an independent and later dominant power base in the Arabian Penninsula, the status quo will be recalibrated and most regional actors will just accept a pure Wahhabi state for what it is, however grudgingly. And also, knowing the history of British and American friendliness with some of the most moribund, gangsterish, and brutal regimes of the 20th century, does anyone here honestly believe they'll have any hesitations in interacting with an Ikhwan regime to get some of that sweet, sweet oil extraction?
If they're run by religious fanatics rather than power-hungry scum, there's a not-insignificant chance they might piss off America, causing America to push them until they lashed out, then the absurd war machine of the USA rolls out and ten days later the Republic of Arabia is declared with a formerly-exiled scholar from Chicago as its interim leader with a few Army divisions as insurance left to back him up.
 
Given tafheet, Saudi is pretty extreme. So maybe an energy drink culture on top of drifting?

Misread op, sorry.
 
::shrugs::

Once they've firmly established themselves as an independent and later dominant power base in the Arabian Penninsula, the status quo will be recalibrated and most regional actors will just accept a pure Wahhabi state for what it is, however grudgingly. And also, knowing the history of British and American friendliness with some of the most moribund, gangsterish, and brutal regimes of the 20th century, does anyone here honestly believe they'll have any hesitations in interacting with an Ikhwan regime to get some of that sweet, sweet oil extraction?

I think the denial of the Hajj would be a real sticking point to virtually any Muslim-majority country from the domestic pressure. Imagine the terror that's going to infiltrate the country by followers of other sects dedicated to bringing down the regeime blocking access to the Holy Sanctuaries.

This likely includes attacks on oil infastructure. Western nations at a certain point will realize the cost of security and loses is more than a regeime change
 
::shrugs::

Once they've firmly established themselves as an independent and later dominant power base in the Arabian Penninsula, the status quo will be recalibrated and most regional actors will just accept a pure Wahhabi state for what it is, however grudgingly. And also, knowing the history of British and American friendliness with some of the most moribund, gangsterish, and brutal regimes of the 20th century, does anyone here honestly believe they'll have any hesitations in interacting with an Ikhwan regime to get some of that sweet, sweet oil extraction?

Given how important Haji to Islam is, the denial of Hajj to all non-Salafi/Wahhabi Sunni and Shia Muslims would be inviting all the non- Wahhabi Muslims to form a coalitiom to retake the two Holiest cities in Islam. It may even bring along better relations between Sunni and Shia.

Why would a Wahhabi fundamentalist country trade oil to the decadent west? Viewing from Realist IR prespective, toppling such regime and courting the favour of ALL other Muslims sounds much more beneficial to US and British interests.
 

samcster94

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Whabbism is already worrying extreme, save going full on ISIS interpretation of Islam (so women are property, homosexuality punished by death) and religious rule without a Royal Family and it being lead by a council of Cleriks instead. Really I dunno much about Islam to comment.
Both of things are true OTL anyway.
 

samcster94

Banned
Given how important Haji to Islam is, the denial of Hajj to all non-Salafi/Wahhabi Sunni and Shia Muslims would be inviting all the non- Wahhabi Muslims to form a coalitiom to retake the two Holiest cities in Islam. It may even bring along better relations between Sunni and Shia.

Why would a Wahhabi fundamentalist country trade oil to the decadent west? Viewing from Realist IR prespective, toppling such regime and courting the favour of ALL other Muslims sounds much more beneficial to US and British interests.
The Hajj being blocked happened OTL for Iranian nationals.
 
Given how important Haji to Islam is, the denial of Hajj to all non-Salafi/Wahhabi Sunni and Shia Muslims would be inviting all the non- Wahhabi Muslims to form a coalitiom to retake the two Holiest cities in Islam. It may even bring along better relations between Sunni and Shia.

Why would a Wahhabi fundamentalist country trade oil to the decadent west? Viewing from Realist IR prespective, toppling such regime and courting the favour of ALL other Muslims sounds much more beneficial to US and British interests.

I can only imagine a massive coalition of Muslim nations doing everything in their damn power to invade Saudi Arabia, burning Riyadh to the ground with its inhabitants, and ensuring Mecca and Medina remain free to all. And then of course they start fighting over who gets what.
 
If it happened in the 1920s could those other countries do much, weren't they all European colonies or protectorates? Except Iran I think.
Turkey was independent too, plus Afghanistan. Of course for reasons below the Europeans will be quite willing to deal with the Ikwhan themselves
::shrugs::

Once they've firmly established themselves as an independent and later dominant power base in the Arabian Penninsula, the status quo will be recalibrated and most regional actors will just accept a pure Wahhabi state for what it is, however grudgingly. And also, knowing the history of British and American friendliness with some of the most moribund, gangsterish, and brutal regimes of the 20th century, does anyone here honestly believe they'll have any hesitations in interacting with an Ikhwan regime to get some of that sweet, sweet oil extraction?
What oil extraction? Nobody found oil in Saudi Arabia until 1938, there were no oil concessions until 1933. So an Ikwhan regime would not have oil, as they would not be willing to grant concessions to bring in western experts to find it. Plus the Ikwhan was raiding British territory before the revolt, doubt they would stop if they win, that's going to draw down some serious wrath on their heads
 
You could keep Saudi Arabia out of the Hejaz (either the Hashemites are able to keep it, or they get restored via Western backing sometime after the Ikhwan take over) which would prevent issues about the Hajj. Although they'd lose Islam's most holy sites, they'd get to keep their significant oil reserves.
 
Turkey was independent too, plus Afghanistan. Of course for reasons below the Europeans will be quite willing to deal with the Ikwhan themselves
What oil extraction? Nobody found oil in Saudi Arabia until 1938, there were no oil concessions until 1933. So an Ikwhan regime would not have oil, as they would not be willing to grant concessions to bring in western experts to find it. Plus the Ikwhan was raiding British territory before the revolt, doubt they would stop if they win, that's going to draw down some serious wrath on their heads

Ah, yes, I forgot about that. For those who do not know, the biggest oil producer in the 1930s was the USA. USA was able to satisified its own oil need and export more.
 
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