The challenge today folks is to take the great state of Russia, and turn it into a democracy. The Monarchy doesn't have to be removed for this to occur either.
AHC: Make Russia Europes first democracy
- Thread starter Rainbow Sparkle
- Start date
Novogorod Republic vietche is taken over by a more popular, radical faction. (Why is still to be determinated).
They chase the archbishop, probably led by a charismatic leader redistributing wealth and adopt a more populist institution, closer to our democratic concept.
After 3/5 months of fiesta, either by war or by another revolt, the said tribune is killed/revoked; archbishop comes back and status quo ante shitbrokum is restored.
They chase the archbishop, probably led by a charismatic leader redistributing wealth and adopt a more populist institution, closer to our democratic concept.
After 3/5 months of fiesta, either by war or by another revolt, the said tribune is killed/revoked; archbishop comes back and status quo ante shitbrokum is restored.
Last edited:
Depends on the POD, If there is no Mongol Invasion of Russia or the Keivan Rus lasts longer and plays it's cards right you could have the veches become more prominent to possibly create a Zemsky Sobor analog. You would have to deal with the constant infighting between Russian states.
Novgorod, for reasons I've mentioned in regards to it unifying Russia post Mongol Invasion, is flat out.
Novgorod, for reasons I've mentioned in regards to it unifying Russia post Mongol Invasion, is flat out.
i'd put my money on the Kievan Rus being the most likely to start this; iirc it amounted to a world power in its day, so it was probably large enough to warrant being a democracy. i'd imagine it would have to undergo a shift much like Rome did to oust its monarchy (or some similar event) and become a republic, though a republic more like modern ones as opposed to the Roman Republic
After the Mongol Invasion, Novgorod was in a situation where it couldn't work within the Mongol system that was in place. This system was simple, the Principality of Vladimir would have to pay homage to the Khan in Sarai. In exchange, the Kynaz of Vladimir would be able collect taxes and have authority over the Rus States in the Golden Horde.
Iceland's Althing says that if you want Russia to be Europe's 1st democracy, Russia will have to be founded even earlier. 
Iceland's Althing says that if you want Russia to be Europe's 1st democracy, Russia will have to be founded even earlier.
perhaps "first continental European democracy" would be a better descriptor?
and i know what SOMEONE is gonna say: "What about Greece?
" well, c'mon, people, Ancient Greece was hardly what you could define as a modern democracy and i think that's what Rainbow Sparkle has in mindYou would need a more bourgeois, urban, maybe Petersburg-centric Russia, I think.
perhaps "first continental European democracy" would be a better descriptor?
and i know what SOMEONE is gonna say: "What about Greece?
I wasn't thinking of "modern democracy" so much as something akin to the Democracy that the American Revolution pushed forward. Not exactly the same thing, but something close perhaps.
Huh, didn't know that.
rusia need not democracy, Russia need not banana
Nah in all seriousness if you can somehow get the grand prince of Novgorod in the 9th century to become an elective office and then have Kiev somehow collapse allowing Novgorod to unite the principalities you could see the rise of a merchant republic in the region maybe and eventually the merchant republic becomes more democratic.
Nah in all seriousness if you can somehow get the grand prince of Novgorod in the 9th century to become an elective office and then have Kiev somehow collapse allowing Novgorod to unite the principalities you could see the rise of a merchant republic in the region maybe and eventually the merchant republic becomes more democratic.
Well "Russia" didn't exist until 1547 so it would have to be after that.
You could have an "elected" King established by precedent in the Time of Troubles c. 1600
You could have an "elected" King established by precedent in the Time of Troubles c. 1600
yeah that was because in he sejm just one vote could cause oaralysis of government. As long as Russia develops a majority vote during the time of troubles to elect king I can see it becoming democratic.Didn't work out that well for Poland
GdwnsnHo
Banned
Even England and the various Germanic tribes had their Things.
Russia - as in Slavic & Viking Russia, has no real chance at being the first.
Purely Slavic Russia? Potentially, but you'd need a sudden emergence of a strong state - genetic mutations lead to particularly successful winter crops?
Without the staple to ensure strength and size, you're unlikely to a 'Russian' state with any level of democracy - because you're unlikely to find any real 'Russian' state till the Kievan Rus.
Russia - as in Slavic & Viking Russia, has no real chance at being the first.
Purely Slavic Russia? Potentially, but you'd need a sudden emergence of a strong state - genetic mutations lead to particularly successful winter crops?
Without the staple to ensure strength and size, you're unlikely to a 'Russian' state with any level of democracy - because you're unlikely to find any real 'Russian' state till the Kievan Rus.