AHC: Make Rhomania survive elsewhere in the world

Your Challenge is make Rhomania survive somewhere else other than the mediterranean. The Idea came from this : http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=225813038&searchtext=

Constantine accepts Mehmet's offer and gives up Constantinople, in exchange for keeping the Morea peninsula and overlordship over Athens. The "empire" spends the next century give or take a few decades backing either Venice or the Ottomans. During this time, they acquire some lands in Italy. Eventually, OTL's economic trends cause Venice's power to wane, and all byzantine holdings east of the Adriatic are taken over. They still got their lands in Italy though, which they use at some point as a source of income to acquire one (or more) tiny Caribbean sugar islands. Cue a war they loose, and the Basileus' son takes whatever ships he has and sails to the last family property. Some major colonial war inevitably takes place, and the ensuing treaty results in the island(s) being nominally neutral, with neither side letting the other one annex the place.

Do I win or what ?
 

Dirk

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Do I win or what ?

Hmm...not really. Where would the Byzantines gain the ships or wherewithal to take land in Italy, when by this time the Kingdom of Naples is very well entrenched in southern Italy? Even if ASB's help out and the Byzantines somehow survive Sultan Mehmed's wild ride, how will they survive with one or two small sugar colonies? They'd be more like large landholding subjects or pirates than a sovereign state.
 
I never said it had to be in the Atlantic. That is just the idea for the challenge. They could get a ship from maybe Genoa.
 
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Does the POD have to be after 476? You could have it survive in North Africa if its before then. After then, I imagine a more thorough and secure eastern holdings so it survives in Italy and the Balkans is possible (though I'm not sure how they would lose the wealthy east while still keeping the whole of Italy)
 
Does the POD have to be after 476? You could have it survive in North Africa if its before then. After then, I imagine a more thorough and secure eastern holdings so it survives in Italy and the Balkans is possible (though I'm not sure how they would lose the wealthy east while still keeping the whole of Italy)

I'm pretty sure that's still the Mediterranean.


I played that mod, it's really good and a lot of fun but really sucks if it puts you on an island in the Caribbean since you can't colonize outwards easily.


As to the topic how about this:
More successful Arab conquests result in the Byzantines being expelled from Asia Minor and Greece, likely as a result of a significantly better Umayyad siege of Constantinople in either 674 or 717. When the Lombards show up somehow the Byzantines can repulse them. You now have an Italy centered Byzantium and from there they have a couple hundred years to expand and somehow get to the New World or African colonies and then pull a Maria I of Portugal and base the country out of their colonies. If their land is not retaken in Europe they would probably stay there in whatever they got in the Americas.
 
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