AHC: Make Nazi Germany last longer

How long could Germany last?

  • May - July 1945

    Votes: 6 13.0%
  • August - October 1945

    Votes: 7 15.2%
  • November - December 1945

    Votes: 6 13.0%
  • January 1946 or later

    Votes: 27 58.7%

  • Total voters
    46

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One big thing would be to have Stalin die of an accident in early 1942 and throw the USSR into chaos at the worst moment. Have that descend into Civil War before Summer and things can drag out a long time beyond OTL.
 
Two PoDs that could work:

  • June-July 1942. At this point, Fall Blau has just begun, taking the Red Army be surprise. IOTL, Hitler interfered by sending one of the panzer groups to 'help cross' some river (the Don if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, one near Rostov). That wasn't necessary and slowed down the offensive, which gave the Soviets time to reinforce Stalingrad. So instead, don't send those Panzers south, and the Wehrmacht will be in Stalingrad by August at the latest. The USSR is cut off from most of its oil, Hitler still has his 6th army and 1/2 a million men, and Stalin has been massively embarrassed. Can't be sure that this would be a war winning move, but it would certainly buy time.
  • May or June 1944. Don't have the Germans argue about what to do with the forces in Normandy. Move those million soldiers out of Calais (alright keep a small garrison there Hitler, but not a whole Army Group), and use them to throw the Allies into the sea before they really have time to organise themselves. They only had about 8 divisions, so the German force there was heaps enough to win that battle. Then send the majority of them to slow down the Reds.
These probably won't be enough for Hitler to win the war (I think a Pod in 1940 or '41 is needed there), but they would be enough to extend the war by 8 months, surely.

- BNC
 

trurle

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Two PoDs that could work:

  • June-July 1942. At this point, Fall Blau has just begun, taking the Red Army be surprise. IOTL, Hitler interfered by sending one of the panzer groups to 'help cross' some river (the Don if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, one near Rostov). That wasn't necessary and slowed down the offensive, which gave the Soviets time to reinforce Stalingrad. So instead, don't send those Panzers south, and the Wehrmacht will be in Stalingrad by August at the latest. The USSR is cut off from most of its oil, Hitler still has his 6th army and 1/2 a million men, and Stalin has been massively embarrassed. Can't be sure that this would be a war winning move, but it would certainly buy time.
  • May or June 1944. Don't have the Germans argue about what to do with the forces in Normandy. Move those million soldiers out of Calais (alright keep a small garrison there Hitler, but not a whole Army Group), and use them to throw the Allies into the sea before they really have time to organise themselves. They only had about 8 divisions, so the German force there was heaps enough to win that battle. Then send the majority of them to slow down the Reds.
These probably won't be enough for Hitler to win the war (I think a Pod in 1940 or '41 is needed there), but they would be enough to extend the war by 8 months, surely.

- BNC
The early Stalingrad may work; Although the Caspian or Iraqi oil will not be completely cut, the logistical strain on Middle Asian railroads will increase, reducing the lend-lease weapons delivery through Iranian route. Also, taking the prime agricultural region of Volga-Akhtuba plain may result in Soviet Union starvation.
Failed invasion to Normandy is unlikely though. Main problem is what Germany did not have an air superiority in 1944, therefore moving a large mass of German troops to counter invasion will just result in many (may be majority) dying due bombing and strafing even before arriving to the landing zones.
 
One big thing would be to have Stalin die of an accident in early 1942 and throw the USSR into chaos at the worst moment. Have that descend into Civil War before Summer and things can drag out a long time beyond OTL.

This, pretty much. Assuming Anglo-American will holds out, it probably drags things out into the late-1940s until with the Nazis taking millions of American and British lives and a few hundred nukes to defeat.

If Anglo-American will doesn't hold out, then Nazi Germany persists until it either does something that causes the WAllies to treat it as a "kill at all costs" state (basically Calbear's AANW), it collapses from the economic strains of it's insane economic, racial, and education policies and Cold War with the WAllies in the 50s-60s, or it reforms itself into "not-Nazi Nazis".
 
The early Stalingrad may work; Although the Caspian or Iraqi oil will not be completely cut, the logistical strain on Middle Asian railroads will increase, reducing the lend-lease weapons delivery through Iranian route. Also, taking the prime agricultural region of Volga-Akhtuba plain may result in Soviet Union starvation.
Failed invasion to Normandy is unlikely though. Main problem is what Germany did not have an air superiority in 1944, therefore moving a large mass of German troops to counter invasion will just result in many (may be majority) dying due bombing and strafing even before arriving to the landing zones.

If Stalin lost the Kaukasus, he won't have enough for all the lend-lease trucks and thousands of tanks his army needs. The exact details will vary depending on the exact circumstance, but the end is the same - USSR falls/negotiates a terrible peace/is pushed to cold war status along Volga or Urals. All of which are going to wipe out the Eastern threat to Germany.

For D-Day, Hitler could have brought close to 7:1 ratio of men against the Allies. Even if 50%! of the forces get shot up by aircraft, he still has a significant majority. On June 6-7, the Allies didn't have the capacity to fight that (Omaha beach almost got ruined by a division's worth, let alone a whole Army). Once the Wehrmacht comes into close proximity to the Allied formations, Allied bombers aren't going to be keen to strike them, at risk of hitting their own troops, or worse, supply ships. I'll admit, this isn't the better scenario, but I think it is good enough to give Hitler 8 months, the last option on the poll.

- BNC
 
What if Germany had better intelligence on the Eastern Front? I remember hearin something about the Russians achieving strategic suprise in almost every operation, and the Germans weren't able to fight as effectively as a result. Could this have changed the outcome of some battles?
 
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