AHC: Make Europe have these borders by 2010.

PoD of your choosing.
No ASBs.
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Marc

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Short answer: Divine intervention.
Longer answer: Since many of the needed event changes are dependent and conditional, there is no scenario set that has any chance.

Why don't you work with pieces of it yourself, to see what I am talking about.
 
This map hurts.

But giving it a look over I can’t possibly think of some sort of scenario where this would happen without drafting an entire detailed crazy timeline.

Putting certain parts of the map in thought bubbles though then some of these thing could be present in the modern day with not so large changes.

Portugal and Castile(Spain) look basically the same as today, and creating a world in which the Basque get their own nation state is not out of the realm of plausibility.

Denmark, Norway, Sweden look pretty close to today as far as I can see, Denmark just controls more than today but roughly what it has in the past.

England and Scotland also don’t look all that different, pretty close to what we could have seen if the referendum had gone through. That bit of Scotland in Northern Ireland is a wrench though (Ireland in total is a wrench).

And of course Switzerland is still just Switzerland.

Past that it’s anyones pipe dream of how the map got to be like that.
 
Isn't this the map where Europe is redrawn according to her most historic borders?
 
Getting these borders (or any borders) in Eastern Europe is, IMO, not hard. Not only is Eastern Europe a diverse region that is hard to draw borders in, but the borders that do get drawn usually accord to the wishes of outside actors. But what outside actors have been left un-Balkanized? Western Europe looks like a shattered plate, it won't be hosting any grand conferences on the "Eastern Question" for some time. Only Russia and Byzantium seem to be safe from this.

So with that in mind, here are two scenarios:

1.
Russian intervention in the 1700s destroys the Ottoman Empire and creates a Greek state that claims control over the Balkans, but is forced to concede autonomy to local actors until it gives up on dreams of centralized Empire and assumes a corporate character. Faced with Ottoman attempts to regroup, Russia launches several campaigns into the Middle East, enabling the "Roman Federation" to reclaim large chunks of Asia so long as it grants Russia and Russia-affiliated individuals (enterprising Germans, for example) concessions like ports. The remnants of the Ottomans, disgraced beyond measure, flee to Armenia, and after some dynasty changes assumes the name of Timuria. Meanwhile, the Wahhabis fill the void of authority in the Levant and Arabia. Upon seizing Baghdad they declare a caliphate or something.

Meanwhile, Britain and France are freaking out at Russia's land grab but both fall flat in the alt- (and very early) Crimean War and war-fever-fueled revolution takes care of both of them. Except the revolutions are nasty civil wars, and in the vein of Central America complexes of cities with similar ideology and a hostility for the other complexes become the basis for new successor states. Germany is never forcibly broken down by Napoleon, so unification efforts are local and piecemeal. Same for Italy.

Prussia and Austria fight a war of attrition so bad they collapse EU4-style. Rebels broke your nation and all that.

Poland-Lithuania collapses in on itself, with the Lithuanians going their own way. Wolhynia, originally split from Ukraine to dilute Ukrainian nationalism, ends up absorbing enough Polish influence for the separation to stick.

2.
Song China industrializes, becoming a colonialist superpower. The horrifically inaccurate borders and weirdly named and weirdly shaped blocks of land, designed with no apparent regard to anything resembling OTL's historical trends, were in fact drawn up by bureaucrats in Kaifeng. Except the Chinese also faced competition from other industrialized Asian nations, with the result that borders became even weirder as everybody tried to cut out their slice. As decolonization neared, the emerging elites thought of antique-sounding names for their patches of land and they stuck.

Meanwhile, the Roman Federation essentially ends up as TTL's Meiji Japan. The shift of power from Turk to Greek plays out like the Boshin War, and all things considered is wrapped up satisfactorily after some initial difficulties. They then join in the imperialization of their continent, so as not to be considered laggards.
 
England and Scotland also don’t look all that different, pretty close to what we could have seen if the referendum had gone through. That bit of Scotland in Northern Ireland is a wrench though (Ireland in total is a wrench).

The Irish changes could be caused by Northern Ireland being formed from just Antrim and Down, and maybe Armagh, the civil war having a stronger anti-treaty faction leading to a stalemate along what looks like the line of the Shannon, and NI going independent and uniting with Scotland.
 
How would Venice conquer this much in any scenario without being given tbe most bloody response by the Emperor, Papacy and Genoa? Venice owning such an expansive region, is ASB without a scenario wherein the papacy remains indefinitely in Avignon and the empire is weakened beyond OTL by very large degrees.

A Byzantium this large and strong may not tolerate Hungary and vice versa and certainly not Wallachia. The border between these two must give somewhere. This Byzantium also likely precludes Venetian power in the same sense as otl and thus, these two are possibly incompatible.
 
I think Morocco has taken a bit of western Algeria.

Guess that means a more expansionist dynasty that has managed to nibble land off it's neighbors.

Well spotted! I noticed that too.

PoD of your choosing.
No ASBs.
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Isn't this basically Europe in 1453, with the Ottoman Empire's name changed to Roman federation?

Venice has conquered northern Italy. North Africa has weirdly 20th century-ish borders, Saxony and Hanover might not be in quite the right places, and Netherlands appeared early and became bigger, but other than that this is pretty much OTL with a few name changes.
 
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