AHC: Make Circassia Great (Again?)

..., I answered EmperorOfGreaterArmenia about why being Christian or any other non-Islamic faith won't prevent occupation. It didn't work for Georgia for being on the other side of the Caucasus, it sure as hell won't work for Circassia who is open for Russian conquest. Jurgen try to ease it by saying Georgians were treated better even though that's not the issue. That's not what I was talking about or answered EmperorOfGreaterArmenia with. Please, either read my comments what I wrote or just don't answer like this.

It is only a matter of seconds to look up to what I wrote... you know
Uh, the post you originally quoted outright stated that it wouldn't prevent Russian conquest. Maybe you need to reread the thread because you seem to have misread the very post you bumped it for.
 
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Not 100% sure what this new debate is about. But I'd note that the Circassians* were treated worse than their Christian and Muslim neighbors. Religion played some role (their links to the Ottoman Empire were viewed as dangerous); but the key factor in their mistreatment was not religion, but the fact that those Circassian communities had not been conquered yet, and represented a big obstacle to the stabilization of Russian rule in the region.

So it may be a better analogy to view them as Russia's "Native Americans", than as targets of a religious crusade.



*those that were heavily mistreated upon their conquest in the mid 19th century, ie. the north-western subset of Circassians; other subgroups, like the Kabardans, were not.
 
As a side note, where might the Circassian capital be? Maybe Pyatigorsk (seems to be called Psəxwāba in Circassian), which seems to have had some significance for some Circassian groups, and in a Circassian nation from the Black Sea to the Baltic, would be centrally located?

Circassia reaching the Baltic seems rather ambitious. Do you mean the Caspian?
 
Wasn't the genocide perpetrated after the Crimean war by a vengeful Russia (and during no doubt)? If memory serves me didn't the Circassians who fought on the side of the British (obviously also the other major participants) write a letter to Queen Victoria pleading for military aid in the face of expected annihilation by Russia? Therefore would the situation and Circassia's survival been more likely had the Russians been more devastated by the conflict (if that scenario has possibilities) and if it was a politically and militarily viable move for the British to intervene. In the OTL it clearly wasn't and I suspect we are verging on absolute implausibility?
 
Wasn't the genocide perpetrated after the Crimean war by a vengeful Russia (and during no doubt)? If memory serves me didn't the Circassians who fought on the side of the British (obviously also the other major participants) write a letter to Queen Victoria pleading for military aid in the face of expected annihilation by Russia? Therefore would the situation and Circassia's survival been more likely had the Russians been more devastated by the conflict (if that scenario has possibilities) and if it was a politically and militarily viable move for the British to intervene. In the OTL it clearly wasn't and I suspect we are verging on absolute implausibility?

Actually, in OTL Britain had a lot of goals for the war that would have significantly weakened Russia - including an independent Circassia to serve as a barrier between it and the Ottomans - however most of them didn't happen due to France not wanting to absolutely wreck relations with Rusia. So if France had been a little less concerned about what Russia thought of them after the war, it's entirely possible that the Circassian genocide wouldn't have happened.
 
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Actually, in OTL Britain had a lot of goals for the war that would have significantly weakened Russia - including an independent Crimea to serve as a barrier between it and the Ottomans - however most of them didn't happen due to France not wanting to absolutely wreck relations with Rusia. So if France had been a little less concerned about what Russia thought of them after the war, it's entirely possible that the Crimean genocide wouldn't have happened.
Those sort of terms aren't happening without an expansion of the war and Prussian or Austrian entry.
 
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