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How big can China get?


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How can we make China control as much land as they possibly can?

We all know about the great extent of today's PRC (Even though ROC is the real China...). I mean, how could you ever forget China proper, Sinkiang, Manchuria, and Tibet? Of course, there's also Mongolia, but they're independent nowadays.

But China used to be so much more expansive. Here's just a list of what they once owned:

Southeastern Siberia/Buryatia and Outer Manchuria (Yuan, Qing)
Korea (Yuan)
Vietnam (Han, Jin, Liang, Sui, Tang, Ming)
Burma (Yuan, attempted Qing)
Further East Turkestan (Almaty, Talas, etc.) (Qing)
Mongolia (Tang, Yuan, Qing)

Can anyone else think of other lands the Chinese once owned?
 
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The Ming Dynasty actually controlled a large part of modern day Burma,but at the same time it's worthwhile to note that their control over such territory was quite volatile and that these territories were ruled by vassal chieftains who could shift their allegiance at any time.

As for Korea,a large part of modern day Best Korea was ruled by a number of dynasties including the Han Dynasty and the Tang Dynasty(although Tang rule was actually quite short).
 
(note: china-wank)

If the self-strengthening movement succeeds, Qing can achieve victory in the first Sino-Japanese war, occupying Korea. Proven succesfull against the Japanese, Tibet is forced by threat of military intervention to acknowledge Qing sovereignty.
The Philippine revolution is supported by the Qing empire instead of the USA. The Sino-Spanish war ends in a victory for the Chinese, who occupy the former Spanish possesions in the Pacific. This does not alarm the other western powers, as Spain had economic difficulties since the colonization of Central America.
Instead of the 1905 Russo-Japanese war, a war between Russia and China happens, with a defeat for the Russians. China annexes Outer Manchuria and parts of Mongolia and Siberia. Now the western powers are wary, since a major European power had been defeated by the Chinese. China will try to renegotiate the unequal treaties, revoking most international concessions except those of France and Britain.

During the first world war, Imperial China sides with the central powers, quickly occupying the remaining concessions and moving forces into Indochina and Russia.
Russia collapses much sooner, with in the west the treaty of Brest-litovsk and in the east the treaty of Irkutsk, which cedes everything east of the Jenisej-Angara rivers to the Chinese empire. With their north secured, China focuses on the south, invading British Borneo and Malaya. An invasion of the British Raj is deemed impossible due to logistics. WW1 ends with whatever treaty in the west, but in the east, China is ceded French Indochina, British Borneo and Malaya. All concessions are returned and the unequal treaties are dissolved.

Voila, China is massive.
(edit:Capital letters and denonyms fixed)
 
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Taaaaaaaaang

No An Lushan Rebellion, Talas goes better... there's a lot of ways to wank the Tang. This looks like the best bet for a big China to me.
 
Vietnam is relatively easy, it was entirely occupied and was on its way to be heavily sinicsed by 1416, but a change in commander (as the story tells it, might not be entirely valid) caused a surge of revolts throughout the land, leading to Lé Loi rising up.

If they had continued simply sinicisin' without oppressin', Vietnam could have become an integral part of China as there was a pre-existing ideological framework (think Rome and Greece).

China also had nominal control and claims over Laos and upper Burma until the early 20th Century.

If China is in a tiny bit better shape or that the Ferry government falls earlier in France, you could, maybe, have a Vietnam asking for "closer cooperation" with China after the Franco-Chinese war, which definitely cut all claims China had over Vietnam as a tributary state
 

Skallagrim

Banned
An earlier thread on this subject can be found here. It's from last year, and not open to further replies, but some cool discussions took place there, which might be of interest here.
 
How about they just keep their 1820 borders?

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The synergy between the Qing and A rump Ming state in the pacific pushes both toe clans. Reunification talks, following a glorious restoration in 1820, see the two unite as a modern, industrializing power.
 

RousseauX

Donor
Mongolia definitely could be part of China, if the Qing haven't pushed sinization at the expense of angering the local elites in Mongolia in the early 1900s it probably would be part of China today
 
What about the Philippines, perhaps as part of a large maritime empire in SE Asia? Like if the Chinese develop the modern weapons and institutions to fight the Spanish and Dutch in the 16th century, it was probably close enough to China for armies of tens of thousands to land in, which the Europeans could never hope to match pre-steam.
 
How about they just keep their 1820 borders?

This - and throw in its OTL control over North Korea, North Vietnam, and Burma at various points.

China has controlled so much, so consistently, you just need to slap together all the OTL land it ever did control and it'd be an incredible-sized empire.
 
This - and throw in its OTL control over North Korea, North Vietnam, and Burma at various points.

China has controlled so much, so consistently, you just need to slap together all the OTL land it ever did control and it'd be an incredible-sized empire.
Yeah I wish people would make maps of countries consisting of all the land the countries ever controlled. Like maps including Ottoman Azerbaijan and Western Persia from 1585-1603.
 
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