AHC: make Canada a dictatorship

is there any way to make Canada a Dictatorship after 1900? you can't use the old nuclear war one off, and you get mad points if its a very nasty dictatorship
 
I actually was tempted to make a similar thread, albeit more a rise of anti-franco feelings, to possible fascist thugging and all this.
 
With a Pod in 1900, I can easily see the possibility of an American dictatorship should the nation go fascist or something. If that happened, I would bet on Canada falling suit and establishing one of its very own.

Hopefully this answer wasn't too vague.
 
With a Pod in 1900, I can easily see the possibility of an American dictatorship should the nation go fascist or something. If that happened, I would bet on Canada falling suit and establishing one of its very own.

Hopefully this answer wasn't too vague.

it was, also the US becoming a dictatorship post 1900 is only a little more likely than Canada
 
The easy targets of blame -dictators love having targets to unite the people behind them - would be francos (canadiens/french-canadians and acadians), amerinidians and/or asians (chineses....), by example. Commies as well, socialists...
 
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The easy targets of blame -dictators love having targets to unite the people behind them - would be francos (canadiens/french-canadians and acadians), amerinidians and/or asians (chineses....), by example. Commies as well, socialists...

a Quebecer genocide? :eek: while I can see both French speakers and Natives for a dictatorship we have to come up with a POD for one to come into being
 
a Quebecer genocide? :eek: while I can see both French speakers and Natives for a dictatorship we have to come up with a POD for one to come into being

Well, not necessarly genocidal. At least, distrust and wild accusation, going not well, let's say. It could go down the drain....

Mind you, I work in the optic that the ones at the top of the power structures are 'anglo-saxons and associated', so it is more likely to be an anglo-sided thing. In Canada, for a logn time, power spoke only english, and so money.

I have no idea out of ASB french-canadians would take power in such a way.
 
I have no idea out of ASB french-canadians would take power in such a way.

..... likely ASB but here goes, Germany wins WWI, relations between UK and the dominions becomes touchy, with South Africa crowning the Kaiser, and Australia and New Zealand becoming a Federal Republic, France has a Communist Revolution shortly after the war, with the UK forced to repay Germany and the US becoming highly protectionists the Canadian economy drags badly for years, French Communists blocked for trying to spread the Revolution in Europe look to Canada and depressed Canadian leftest look to France, based out of Quebec the Communist Party of Canada grows till a popular revolution in the 1930s after 20 years of depression and civil unrest, the french-canadians populate the upper levels of the Party due to closeness to the home of international communism, France.
 
Not totaly ASB, I guess. Improbable, but not totaly alien.... It's a possible 'how'.

One of the possible weakness there is that french-canadian eltites of old were REALLY anti-communistic and all... so indeed, it would be the base, the plebians, the proletarians, indoctrined and all. Earlier quiet revolution?
 
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it was, also the US becoming a dictatorship post 1900 is only a little more likely than Canada

Well I will try to go more in depth then.

As an author of a TL, one can take whatever direction they want should it fall into the realm of plausibility. So I would do the following.

Germans win WWI in 1915 or 16 after winning at the Marne. US never gets involved and thus does not become isolationist. Instead, it turns to do what Europe can not, after being so worn out, and ends up dominating Central and South America both economically and militarily. After a while, the US may turn militaristic. At his point, America could be (and I wont lie, this will be very hard) into a militaristic society (legally, not culturally).

Let me see how this can be done. America could begin with a War on Mexico (whether it gains any land at all would be up to the author), and ends up forming puppet state/protectorate on every nation from Guatemala to Costa Rica. This would take four to five terms, starting with election with President Hughes. To Quote Wikipedia

"The fighting in Europe dominated the campaign. Woodrow Wilson campaigned for reelection on a pledge of continued neutrality in the Great War in Europe. His campaign slogan, "He Kept Us out of War", was highly popular. Hughes advocated a program of greater mobilization and preparedness; some pro-Wilson newspapers claimed that Hughes, if elected, was secretly planning to take America into the war. With Wilson having successfully pressured the Germans to suspend unrestricted submarine warfare, it was difficult for Hughes to attack Wilson's peace platform. Hughes criticized Wilson's military interventions in Mexico, where the U.S. was supporting various factions in a civil war."

I could see Hughes getting involved to support just one faction of the civil war and create it as a puppet state. Now from here, warp politics enough to make the US more expansionist, with each successive President becoming consistently more militaristic. Eventually, by the 1930s, an author can make it so the US and UK (bonus points for Germany siding with the UK) go to war. Should the war last long enough, one could do become president for an undefined amount of terms, likely taking more advantage than FDR did if one could imagine it.

Now from OTL standards, this is a loose definition of a dictatorship, even though the government is legally republican.

Now let's take another look at the war. A militaristic United State invading Canada. The only question to ask is how tough is the resistance. Now the author can again manipulate politics, and have the Canadian puppet regime be a dictatorship, either in an OTL fascist way or TTL's American way.

What are your thoughts before I go on?
 
After the victory of the Totalitarian powers in the Second Great European War, the decline of liberal democracy in North America was only a matter of time. In a new world order based on a compromise between Stalin's USSR and Hitler's Reich with Oswald Mosley now controlling the British Empire, Canada's parliamentary traditions soon went the same way as those of the mother country. The military victory of authoritarianism had a grave ideological impact, as did the new Cold War between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany and it's allies. Democracy had been throughly discredited by WWII, and a new generation of thinkers had been born to whom dictatorship was simply the only successful kind of government. The Canadian Union of Fascists, formerly a insignificant fan club of Mosley's BUF, became a rising power in a Canada disillusioned by the defeat in World War Two and by the economic depression the global conflict had brought. Bolstered by British Funding and the apathy of Canada's political establishment, which was still in shock from the dramatic changes in world affairs, the Canadian Union was able to absorb Adrien Arcand's Parti National Social Chrétien, countless opportunistic Tories, Anti-Communists and a generation of young voters seduced by the promise of Fascism (the so-called 'Hitler Generation'). Though the Canadian Union never gained a majority of votes, Edward VIII ordered the Canadian Parliament dissolved at the advise of Mosley's Blackshirt Cabinet in London.

Though many Canadians resisted, indeed Parliament continued sitting defiantly for mouths, Canada's was now legally speaking a dictatorship as the rightful Monarch had exercised his constitutional right to dissolve the legislature and choose his own cabinet. Mosley, with the backing of the SS (now basically and independent and international organisation) and the blessing of Hitler, sent the might of the recovering British Empire to crush the Canadian resistance. America was alarmed but could do nothing as it's neighbour was occupied by British Army, backed up by volunteer divisions of the SS, who had their own racial vision for a new Canada. The Canadian Armed Forces were divided, as even those without Fascist sympathies were still torn between their allegiance to the Crown and to their own beliefs. Pro-British propagandists quickly turned this to their advantage presenting the conflict as the latter day War of 1812, a struggle to preserve the Empire from Jewish-American encroachment, claiming the New Canadian SS Divisions were the rightful descendants of the United Empire Loyalist of yesteryear. This can be seen in the names they were given, such as the Sir Isaac Brock Legion. Such claims were naturally helped as those few Americans who still believed the march of tyranny could be stopped crossed over the border to aid their Canadian neighbours as volunteers.

Though it was fierce and widespread, the Canadian resistance was divided and poorly equipped. The far-left's prominent role often served only to drive moderate Monarchists into the arms of the so-called 'Vichy of the North', the new Canadian 'Blueshirt' Government. Meanwhile, the SS set about purging Canada's 'racially deviant' population, including Jews and First Nation Peoples, and attempting to gather up as much 'Aryan' blood-stock as Canada could offer. The Canadian Holocaust was as horrific as any of it's European counterparts, and American politician JF Kennedy famously said that 'this was the moment when America finally realised the deep folly of it's isolationism and that the horrors we had allowed to happen in Europe could not be kept from our shores forever.'

Finally, Canada was largely intimidated into submission when it was known that the British Empire had successfully tested a atomic bomb with technology borrowed from the Nazis. America, terrified out of it's isolationist stance, began to experience the 'Black Scare'. By then, it was already too late for the cause of freedom in North America. Hitler was already planning with his British Allies to finally snuff out the United States existence in what he called 'my final war'.
 
Decades of Darkness is pre-1900, but the big meaningful difference is Canada loses *WWI (to America though), the king is assassinated by a war vet, and his son takes power, intending to rule, not to reign.

A similar thing could happen, though without a crazy King it's harder.
 
Decades of Darkness is pre-1900, but the big meaningful difference is Canada loses *WWI (to America though), the king is assassinated by a war vet, and his son takes power, intending to rule, not to reign.

A similar thing could happen, though without a crazy King it's harder.

ruling monarchs in the Anglo world died in 1689, if not 1649, and I can't see a member of the modern royal family wanting to lastly how to break off the Canadian Monarchy from the British Monarchy
 
ruling monarchs in the Anglo world died in 1689, if not 1649, and I can't see a member of the modern royal family wanting to lastly how to break off the Canadian Monarchy from the British Monarchy
Canada was floated to become a Kingdom with it's own King (cousin of Victoria) IOTL, but they didn't want to antagonize the US.
After *WWI, Canada was forced to sever ties with the British Empire.

My point is though, that if Canada loses in WWI, it could go bad, especially if it's against America and America doesn't annex it for some reason.
 
The better question is how and why does Britain allow it to happen. It isn't just going to be some sort of realigning communist/fascist revolution. If Britain even THINKS it threatens her security situation they either roll into Canada and overthrow the government themselves or ask the Americans to do it on their behalf. Because let's face it neither country is going to tolerate the existence of a Canadian government that isn't within their interests, especially the USA, and especially if it's communist. If the US even sniffs wind of Canada turning into a Communist of the Moscow line of thought than in shall go the troops because that isn't a game most American leaders are going to play.

The ease of securing Canada will happen relatively quickly and the US either props back up the old Canadian system (with methods of "discouraging" the communists from getting in via elections) or simply uses the good old American system for Canada, whatever happens, communist or fascist Canada is going to be a flash in the pan.
 
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