AHC: Make 1900 as advanced as 2000.

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With a POD no sooner than the year 1000, try to have technology progress so that it's 100 years more advanced than OTL by the year 1900.

Bonus if you can reach 2000-levels of tech by 1850.
 

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Probably the easiest way this can be done is no Mongols. The development of shipping doesn't get slowed via Mongol revitalization to the Silk Road (and similarly the integration of the Indian Ocean Economies) while the irrigation systems and infrastructure of the Middle East remain intact.

Oh and also the influx of nomads is blunted, meaning much more arable land can go into farming and supporting cities.
 
Well, you need a lot of accidental discoveries. As Richard Dawkins said; "Any philosopher could have worked out the basic principles of evolution from the depths of an armchair since the ancient Greeks".

Maybe have an earlier state smash the ERE, and have the Italians or French or Flemish blunder the ruins and buy the art and books. Renaissance and renewal of Hellenistic ideals and sciences.
 
Have earlier industrialization. An alt-Ming industrialization (perhaps a victory of the Wu state of Zhang Shicheng, which had all the hallmarks of following the legacy of Southern Song) would achieve this, for example.
 
Well the furthest back would be to prevent the rise of the Romans and extend the Hellenistic age indefinitely, which was making great strides in medicine and the sciences. For a non-western-centric POD however, a Song Dynasty industrialization would work.
 
Earlier gunpowder. That facilitates further developments in metallurgy, which encourages further development. Plus, gunpowder inhibits steppe empires.
 
Earlier and more widespread vaccination, combined with early popularisation of germ theory. More people alive = more scientists and thinkers = more concepts and technology being invented earlier. Even if the lower classes are less affected at first, the fact the middle class and upper class is getting this benefit means more of them will survive, therefore more people funding science and more people doing science.

On the downside, since this will happen in the Old World, it does mean that Native Americans are even more screwed and screwed earlier since Europe will have a faster population growth than OTL and thus you'll have millions more Europeans than OTL going there earlier.
 
But if Eurasia is more advanced medically, there is the possibility to distribute vaccines to the Americas.

Depends how early they get them. If they don't get it until 1600 or so, the damage has already started.

Plus there's the issues that happened historically, like how once in the early 19th century, the US government spent money trying to vaccinate Indians. The money earmarked for it ran out sometime after they finished vaccinating the Sioux, so next smallpox epidemic ended up destroying most of the Sioux's enemies while sparing the Sioux, the end result being the Sioux were able to utterly wreck their longtime foes.

Substitute "Sioux" for your native group of choice to see what might happen.
 
Depends how early they get them. If they don't get it until 1600 or so, the damage has already started.

Plus there's the issues that happened historically, like how once in the early 19th century, the US government spent money trying to vaccinate Indians. The money earmarked for it ran out sometime after they finished vaccinating the Sioux, so next smallpox epidemic ended up destroying most of the Sioux's enemies while sparing the Sioux, the end result being the Sioux were able to utterly wreck their longtime foes.

Substitute "Sioux" for your native group of choice to see what might happen.

Agreed that the later it happens, the less effective it is. Of course, the converse is true: the earlier it happens, the more effective. If the technology is known while there are still viable indigenous states in the New World, and the information on how to vaccinate spreads to them, there's nothing stopping them from doing it themselves, in order to survive the epidemics.
 
Agreed that the later it happens, the less effective it is. Of course, the converse is true: the earlier it happens, the more effective. If the technology is known while there are still viable indigenous states in the New World, and the information on how to vaccinate spreads to them, there's nothing stopping them from doing it themselves, in order to survive the epidemics.

This AHC being kinda crazy, I don't know at what era this would start to happen, but let's say Renaissance. By that time, the two biggest are gone (Aztecs, Inca), and everything else is a variety of loosely organised chiefdoms at best, or states being heavily, heavily pushed by the Spanish. The best bet is probably things like Jesuit missions spreading these, meaning people like the Bandeirantes would have a very difficult time. And the Spanish themselves, since they might not like the fact all their Native American slaves/serfs die so easily so why not investigate this "germ theory" and "vaccination"? Which means the trans-Atlantic slave trade will be much lower in size, and means the indigenous population of the New World will be larger and even more of a component of the population makeup to the point where your average Latin American is basically a Spanish/Portuguese speaking Indian.

Lots and lots of butterflies everywhere, of course.
 
This AHC being kinda crazy, I don't know at what era this would start to happen, but let's say Renaissance. By that time, the two biggest are gone (Aztecs, Inca), and everything else is a variety of loosely organised chiefdoms at best, or states being heavily, heavily pushed by the Spanish. The best bet is probably things like Jesuit missions spreading these, meaning people like the Bandeirantes would have a very difficult time. And the Spanish themselves, since they might not like the fact all their Native American slaves/serfs die so easily so why not investigate this "germ theory" and "vaccination"? Which means the trans-Atlantic slave trade will be much lower in size, and means the indigenous population of the New World will be larger and even more of a component of the population makeup to the point where your average Latin American is basically a Spanish/Portuguese speaking Indian.

Lots and lots of butterflies everywhere, of course.

Can't say that I agree. Enslaving the locals never worked as well as the Europeans wanted, since there were always places for them to run off to, and sympathizers to shelter them.

Besides, consider the fact that better medical technology could see a greater European expansion into Africa, which may facilitate an increase in the slave trade.

Of course, all of this is really getting into the weeds in a conversation thats really just about the overall level of technology. To which I contend that the simplest route is to have various technologies that happen to not really need any firm precursors (vaccination, gunpowder) be developed far earlier than historically.
 
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