AHC: Losing Axis seen as "good guys" of WWII

With a POD no earlier than 1925, make the Axis be widely seen as the "good guys" of WWII.

BUT...
1. They must lose the war
2. They can't win a WWIII afterwards
 
With a POD no earlier than 1925, make the Axis be widely seen as the "good guys" of WWII.

BUT...
1. They must lose the war
2. They can't win a WWIII afterwards

Trotskyite Russia almost manages to swing the Spanish Civil War the other way. Hitler proceeds more or less as OTL until the Munich agreement, but becomes embroiled in a stalemate with the Soviets over Czechoslovakia. Poland protests border violations by both Germany and Russia, and when Hitler invades to 'protect his people,' Britain and France feel obliged to declare war. With the Heer fully occupied in the East, France takes the opportunity to re-occupy the Ruhr. German morale collapses with this 'stab in the back,' and the war ends in early 1942 as only the the intervention of the Italians prevents French and Soviet troops from coming to blows. The last city to surrender is Danzig, evacuated with the help of the Royal Navy. In the ensuing Cold War, Hitler and Mussolini are remembered as heros, whose only thought was for the unity of their people against the Red Menace.
 
Trotskyite Russia almost manages to swing the Spanish Civil War the other way. Hitler proceeds more or less as OTL until the Munich agreement, but becomes embroiled in a stalemate with the Soviets over Czechoslovakia. Poland protests border violations by both Germany and Russia, and when Hitler invades to 'protect his people,' Britain and France feel obliged to declare war. With the Heer fully occupied in the East, France takes the opportunity to re-occupy the Ruhr. German morale collapses with this 'stab in the back,' and the war ends in early 1942 as only the the intervention of the Italians prevents French and Soviet troops from coming to blows. The last city to surrender is Danzig, evacuated with the help of the Royal Navy. In the ensuing Cold War, Hitler and Mussolini are remembered as heros, whose only thought was for the unity of their people against the Red Menace.
Perhaps a settlement in madigascar for the Jews, apartheid style.
 
Perhaps a settlement in madigascar for the Jews, apartheid style.

The Madagascar plan was only to have them die without having to bother doing it themselves, they would die of starvation and disease since Madagascar could not at the time support a large influx of people.
 
Perhaps a settlement in madigascar for the Jews, apartheid style.

I'm thinking more that the anti-Semitic campaign doesn't progress beyond the 'deport them for the money' stage. The good guys are saving people from a war zone, so they should be rewarded.

The more interesting question is how to get the Japanese to also be the good guys in this timeline.
 
Have Stalinist Communist parties dominate worldwide after the war, with all of the brutality that entails?

That would not by itself be enough. After all, Stalinist Communists did dominate eastern Europe after World War II, but in general, outright support of the Axis as "good guys" has not been the position of the mainstream parties in these countries in the post-Communist era.
 
Have the Soviets, possibly stronger without a purge, invade Poland without the aid of the Germans. The Germans declare on the Soviets in response and lose the subsequent war. Britain and France (possible allies with Germany out of necessity) manage to stop the soviet progression but not without the loss/collapse of Hitler's Germany.

This could come early enough to prevent the final solution from ever taking place, so that (at least as far is commonly pointed out IITL) the Nazis were only severely antisemitic and not murderous in said hatred making them the good guys when compared to the Soviets.

that's the scenario I thought up in 60 seconds
 
Have Overlord fail due to better planning and response. WAllies are forced to wait and try another route, Soviets conquer their way to the Rhine. Having to fight their way across the whole of the Reich, Stalin's domination takes a darker toll.
 
Some imperial officials like in the man in the high castle protected Jews. The fugu plan

Though it entails earlier PODs. Quite like the idea of the Japanese victory in the Russo-Japanese war being even more devastating for the Russians compared to OTL, where Japan gains all of Sakhalin as well as most (e.g. much of Primorsky Krai at minimum) if not all of Outer Manchuria with Japan implementing some version of the Fugu plan similar to the OTL Soviet Jewish Autonomous Oblast / Birobidzhan in the latter.

Have always wondered how an ATL WW2 would have gone down with most of the Jewish population out of harms way prior to the outbreak of war to either/both the British mandate or "Birobijan" (aka Birobidzhan in Japanese) - a Japanese founded Jewish autonomous region in most of Outer Manchuria.
 
That would not by itself be enough. After all, Stalinist Communists did dominate eastern Europe after World War II, but in general, outright support of the Axis as "good guys" has not been the position of the mainstream parties in these countries in the post-Communist era.
Because those areas lived under Nazi occupation. People in Europe have a vastly different view of imperial Japan than Koreans and Chinese do. Also, the repression in Eastern Europe was not as bad in 1967 as it was in 1947, when Stalinism was still very much in vogue. Still Hell though I will grant you.
 
You would need a very different Axis for this to happen. In that case maybe you can get some sort of lost cause thing like you have the Confederate States of America.
 
NASDP is marginalized as "lunatic fringe" and never gains power. Instead the right wing follows Groner/Schacht/Beck plan to rebuild the Wehrmacht to WW-I size in order to defeat a simultaneous Franco-Polish assault on Germany and still have 'a reasonable chance of winning the wider European war'. This expansion could be achieved by 1938, followed with phased expansion to incorporate the BALKANS & BALTIC countries/economies into a German lead pan European alliance.

With out an external threat such an alliance would be mostly economic in nature but a Stalinist threat would be just the kick such an alliance needed. Soviets actually war gamed a German lead pan-European invasion scenario in 1939/40.

Historically Hitler hijacked the entire plan [4 YEAR PLAN] when Schacht told him that unless annual munitions production was doubled , the targets could not be reached until the late 1940s. Hitler baulked at this demanding larger army instead of defence in depth [ ~112 + 40 mobilised divisions with 4-6 months munitions compared to 76 mobilised divisions with year of munitions] .
 
That would not by itself be enough. After all, Stalinist Communists did dominate eastern Europe after World War II, but in general, outright support of the Axis as "good guys" has not been the position of the mainstream parties in these countries in the post-Communist era.

Ignoring the popularity of Jobbik, the fact that Russia has the highest amount of Neo-Nazis on the planet, Ukrainian Nazi fighting units in the Donbass, higher Far Right support in the former GDR as compared to the rest of Germany, and the recent controversy over Polish Far-Right nationalists, of course.
 
Ignoring the popularity of Jobbik, the fact that Russia has the highest amount of Neo-Nazis on the planet, Ukrainian Nazi fighting units in the Donbass, higher Far Right support in the former GDR as compared to the rest of Germany, and the recent controversy over Polish Far-Right nationalists, of course.

I was careful to qualify that by saying "mainstream parties" and "on the whole." Neither Putin's party nor the Law and Justice Party nor Fidesz nor any other ruling party in eastern Europe can IMO justifiably be accused of taking a "the Nazis were the good guys" position, however much these parties can be legitimately be criticized for authoritarianism and in some cases use of stereotypes with anti-semitic associations. Even the apologists for people who collaborated with the Nazis generally try to portray the collaborators as not really pro-Nazi but simply trying to maneuver to protect national independence, etc.
 
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I was careful to qualify that by saying "mainstream parties" and "on the whole." Neither Putin's party nor the Law and Justice Party nor Fidesz nor any other ruling party in eastern Europe can IMO justifiably be accused of taking a "the Nazis were the good guys" position, however much these parties can be legitimately be criticized for authoritarianism and in some cases use of stereotypes with anti-semitic associarions.

Agreed, my point was mainly that there definitely is a basis to saying that Communism did give way in many cases to widespread Far Right sentiment, although it hasn't managed to land a ruling party yet; Jobbik is gaining in the polls, however. If, theoretically, Molotov had succeeded Stalin and remained in power till his IOTL death of 1986, I think it's entirely possibly you'd have out-right Fascist governments in former East Bloc nations in the current time; particularly if said East Bloc was larger.
 
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