AHC: Lil' Obama

Warning: Please do not turn this into a political debate, as I am mainly concerned about the cultural details. If you must talk politics, remain civil.

People will debate President Dubya Bush's place among Presidents for a generation, with a good portion calling him 'the worst ever' (I think he was below average myself). This is in a large part thanks to a violent dislike of him by close to the whole of the media, which ranged from stand-up comedy, magazines, music and even having two sitcoms based on it, to day nothing of Hollywood movies. Odds are good in years to come most of this will look silly in hindsight (like how bush is hitler recieved millions of hits on google) and no doubt shaped the opinions of many people about Dubya.

My challenge to you is to create that same atmosphere in pop culture toward the current President, Obama. While I can imagine this may lean on ASB in some regards (Can you imagine how well it would go over if Rolling Stone edited a photo of Obama to look like a monkey :rolleyes:) but I want to see just how extreme wa can go before mainstream hate seems foolish or ASB. Bonus points if you can make it seem make parallels with anti-Bush culture!
 

Wolfpaw

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Damn hard. Bush is a White Man, which means he's pretty much fair game as far as any parody goes. With Obama (or indeed anybody who is not a White Man) there is much more limited room because there is the ever-present specter of bigoted motivations hovering on the sidelines.
 
Double-dip recession, Obama loses in 2012.

Or, if Obama somehow loses his popularity among blacks, then they might make fun of him a lot more--and once that happens, it will probably be more socially acceptable to insult Obama and hate him irrationally, without worrying about race.
 
Yes, but the challenge is for the mainstream media to be more tolerant of Obama-mocking than it is OTL.

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Fox News is the mainstream media.

Also, I'm not sure where this 'Obama is black so = no jokes' meme is coming from, but even IOTL disproves that.

OP, if you're looking for more anti-Obama parodies, jokes, and etc. than you'll need to shift the population's perception of him as a person altogether... which likely requires a POD that would butterfly away his presidency. Perhaps in a 'Clinton Wins' TL you could find a small but vocal minority of anti-Obamaism within the Democratic Party establishment mocking him for his naivety and inexperience. However that's not going to approach the level of anti-Bush feelings among the general populace; but it might be the best bet you can get without some sort of 'Great Depression 2.0' level of clusterfuck happening in the next few years.
 
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Fox News is the mainstream media.

Also, I'm not sure where this 'Obama is black so = no jokes' meme is coming from, but even IOTL disproves that.

OP, if you're looking for more anti-Obama parodies, jokes, and etc. than you'll need to shift the population's perception of him as a person altogether... which likely requires a POD that would butterfly away his presidency. Perhaps in a 'Clinton Wins' TL you could find a small but vocal minority of anti-Obamaism within the Democratic Party establishment mocking him for his naivety and inexperience. However that's not going to approach the level of anti-Bush feelings among the general populace; but it might be the best bet you can get without some sort of 'Great Depression 2.0' level of clusterfuck happening in the next few years.

Yes to every single part of this post.

To get a more widespread anti-Obama feeling would require his presidency to be an unmitigated disaster brought about largely by his administration's ineptitude (think GWB's administration vs. Carter's administration, which inherited a terribly shitty mess), more serious personality disorders than OTL (I say OTL because he's a politician, you've got to be seriously fucked in the head to want to be POTUS right now anyway) or the perception that he's unsuitable for the presidency for whatever reason(NOT the closet-racist birther shit, either).
 
Pre-9/11 there was "That's My Bush" that made fun of Bush's malapropisms and actually depicted him as being kind of a foolish idealist.

(He tries to "be a uniter, not a divider" and bring pro-life and pro-choice people together at a dinner, which turns into a disaster.)

All the administration's mistakes were in the future at this point.
 
Pre-9/11 there was "That's My Bush" that made fun of Bush's malapropisms and actually depicted him as being kind of a foolish idealist.

(He tries to "be a uniter, not a divider" and bring pro-life and pro-choice people together at a dinner, which turns into a disaster.)

All the administration's mistakes were in the future at this point.

Exactly my point, there was already critism of Bush at that point, it just really didn;t start becoming mainstream until about 2004 or 2005.
 
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