AHC: Latest time-frame for an attempted revival of the roman empire?

I need this for a TL i may start

What i mean is what is the latest date for a country to claim roman heritage, begin to expand, and still be taken seriously?
 
I need this for a TL i may start

What i mean is what is the latest date for a country to claim roman heritage, begin to expand, and still be taken seriously?

That depends on which Roman Empire you are talking about. Many would in fact say it didn't end until around 1921, and after that, Mussolini was very openly trying to create a New Roman Empire.
 
That depends on which Roman Empire you are talking about. Many would in fact say it didn't end until around 1921, and after that, Mussolini was very openly trying to create a New Roman Empire.

I mean traditional Rome, the ERE i consider to stop being roman c. 800 CE or so, and when you say 1921, you mean the Ottomans yes?
 
Why is 800 CE the point of discontinuity btw? Charlemagne?

Also, what about a Byzantine state in Sicily and Souther Italy, that re-"Latinizes"?


As for POD's: The Exarchate of Ravenna lasted till 751. If you could somehow allow it to survive. Or just get the Emperor appoint the Frankish King as honorary Exarch seeing that the province is basically gone (or give that title to the Doux of Venice?). That could be a legal basis if things go to plan and HRE forms.

But the real question is, what is your definition of traditional Rome? The Empire of 50 CE had little semblance to 250 or that to 350 or 450 or 550 and I can go on.
 
That depends on which Roman Empire you are talking about. Many would in fact say it didn't end until around 1921, and after that, Mussolini was very openly trying to create a New Roman Empire.

Im not sure Ottomans count as Roman. Even Russia and HRE has better claim to the Roman title
 
To suggest that the Ottomans count as Roman is absurd. It's like saying that the United States counts as the Iroquois Confederacy.

I don't agree that the Ottomans are Romans, but the USA did not make the Iroquois capital its capital, it did not directly copy swathes of Iroquois law, and for most of its history it did not coexist with the Byzantines whereas the Iroquois League continues to exist.
 
What i consider traditional Rome, is the Roman empire during Pax Romana, I suppose Charlemagne could become a successor state, but i would prefer an Italian based one.
 
I mean traditional Rome, the ERE i consider to stop being roman c. 800 CE or so, and when you say 1921, you mean the Ottomans yes?

You could just prevent the WRE from falling. For example, Attila conquers Constantinople (there's a PoD everyone loves to use, about an earthquake or something) , and the germanic and slavic tribes follow his example and settle all overthe Balkans, Greece, and Anatolia. The Western Empire just continues to exist, maybe they'll have to eventually abandon Gaul and Britannia though.
 
You could just prevent the WRE from falling. For example, Attila conquers Constantinople (there's a PoD everyone loves to use, about an earthquake or something) , and the germanic and slavic tribes follow his example and settle all overthe Balkans, Greece, and Anatolia. The Western Empire just continues to exist, maybe they'll have to eventually abandon Gaul and Britannia though.

The thing is, the East was always richer than the West. Rome wouldn't just abandon the East like that.
 
The Hapsburg's manage to inherit their way across Italy on top of their OTL holdings, then an effort to Reconquista the Maghreb goes better so we get a Hapsburg run western Med? They'd have the Holy Roman Emperor already.
 
If you meddle with the life events or even the birth of Muhammad, you might be able to keep the Arab Empire, if it rises at all, out of North Africa.

The ERE still has to fight against either the alt-Arab Empire or a New Persian Empire in the east. Meanwhile, the Langobards in Italy and the Visigoths in Spain have much less to worry about naval attacks. One of those might go onthe offensive and take the Exarchate of Africa from a distracted ERE.
 
You could just prevent the WRE from falling. For example, Attila conquers Constantinople (there's a PoD everyone loves to use, about an earthquake or something) , and the germanic and slavic tribes follow his example and settle all overthe Balkans, Greece, and Anatolia. The Western Empire just continues to exist, maybe they'll have to eventually abandon Gaul and Britannia though.

About the best Attila would be able to manage is sack Constantinople and then get pinned in and annhilated by Balkan field armies that were just praying for him to make the mistake to go for Constantinople. Attila not going for the city showed his grasp of the bigger picture-he had a slim chance of taking the city and the most likely outcome is he gets pinned between 3 armies-2 Balkan field armies and the garrison in Constantinople and he's not getting out of that one alive.
 
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