AHC: Latest possible Second American Civil War.

Is there any realistic (or even quasi-realistic) scenario in which the south attempts again to secede between the 1870's/80's (earliest) and the 1910's/20's (latest)?

Bonus points for... well success seems implausible so bonus points for that.

Thanks in advance. Get to it!
 
You'd need one based on revolution, socialist or communist, and there is some scope for that

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
You'd need one based on revolution, socialist or communist, and there is some scope for that

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

I have scanned passed some mentions of such a revolution on here before. Are there any good TLs (or threads) on a Socialist or Communist revolution in the American South?
 
The Civil War ends with McClellan capturing Richmond in 1862, by the 1890s there's a hardened group of Southerners who think that they were stabbed in the back by Jeff Davis who attempt to form a kind of quasi-state system ala the Tamil Tigers. The Confederacy by collapsing too easily becomes treated as "well, it only failed because our politicians sucked, if our generals had really fought we'd be our own country now" and a KKK/White League attempts a series of Coups based on that idea.
 

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The Civil War ends with McClellan capturing Richmond in 1862, by the 1890s there's a hardened group of Southerners who think that they were stabbed in the back by Jeff Davis who attempt to form a kind of quasi-state system ala the Tamil Tigers. The Confederacy by collapsing too easily becomes treated as "well, it only failed because our politicians sucked, if our generals had really fought we'd be our own country now" and a KKK/White League attempts a series of Coups based on that idea.
Jesus, that is an alarmingly plausible scenario. Presumably the planter class is more reviled than revered this time?

Love to read a story/TL on it :D
 
Jesus, that is an alarmingly plausible scenario. Presumably the planter class is more reviled than revered this time?

Love to read a story/TL on it :D

Well, if you think about it, had McClellan captured Richmond via the Siege of Richmond the Confederacy's armies would have the following battles: First Bull Run, Wilson's Creek, Mill Springs, Pea Ridge, Fort Henry, Fort Donelson, New Orleans, Pittsburg Landing, Plum Run Bend.....a history of those battles which is designed to scapegoat Davis would focus on his tendency to neglect the West and his excessive interference in the East (truth of course has nothing to do with it) and so the idea is that had Southern troops had the chance to fight without Davis being involved, the first day of Pittsburg Landing would show their potential.

It'd be reading that history the wrong way, of course, but it'd still be there. As would arguably be slavery itself......and the reason for it taking until the 1890s is that the veterans of the war would know damned well they actually well and truly lost and would not initially be too willing to advocate support for this kind of thing again.
 
The war ending in 1862 would have left many confederate soldiers still armed and ready to fight. However how this would have played out with the western expansion of the 1870's and 1880's would be anyones guess. Slavery as a system would not have worked so well in the west as back in the land of cotton.
 
Definitely NOT Socialist or Communist. Grey Wolf, have you ever been to the Deep South? It's one of the most radical right wing places ever at times, and all the more so then. More likely to become Fascist if Civil War breaks out again.
 
The war ending in 1862 would have left many confederate soldiers still armed and ready to fight. However how this would have played out with the western expansion of the 1870's and 1880's would be anyones guess. Slavery as a system would not have worked so well in the west as back in the land of cotton.

And it would have seen a war that was an unbroken string of Confederate failures culminating in the fall of Richmond to a glacial US advance that proves inexorable and irresistible. For a while that would have been too humiliating for a neo-Confederate movement to show up. 30 years later.......
 
You'd need one based on revolution, socialist or communist, and there is some scope for that

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

Not necessarily true; you could have a quasi-fascist uprising against perceived socialist influence in the federal government. You're probably looking at the 1930s or so, early 40s at the latest for such a scenario.

Otherwise agree, *communist revolution, possible up the late 1960s or early 1970s.
 
Definitely NOT Socialist or Communist. Grey Wolf, have you ever been to the Deep South? It's one of the most radical right wing places ever at times, and all the more so then. More likely to become Fascist if Civil War breaks out again.

I don't think he meant a secessionist civil war. More of the traditional civil war.
 
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