AHC: Larger WW2

What could make WW2 larger than what it was OTL and more global? It may need a differient POD for some nations to draw them into the conflict.

Bonus points if there are fighting in North America & South America
 
If Edward VII refuses to abdicate (and this is assuming rumours about his Nazi sympathies are true), one could see a scenario where Britain, and thus Canada, are drawn into the conflict on the side of the Nazis (one would need to go back further to eliminate the Franco-British alliance), and thus Canada and America could conceivably go to war in North America.
 
If Edward VII refuses to abdicate (and this is assuming rumours about his Nazi sympathies are true), one could see a scenario where Britain, and thus Canada, are drawn into the conflict on the side of the Nazis (one would need to go back further to eliminate the Franco-British alliance), and thus Canada and America could conceivably go to war in North America.
Um, no.

To make the war bigger you'd probably have to include South America, maybe Argentina on one side, and Chile on the other?
 

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More Axis powers, like in the Middle East and in Latin America?
 
If Edward VII refuses to abdicate (and this is assuming rumours about his Nazi sympathies are true), one could see a scenario where Britain, and thus Canada, are drawn into the conflict on the side of the Nazis (one would need to go back further to eliminate the Franco-British alliance), and thus Canada and America could conceivably go to war in North America.

Yes, because the King set foreign policy in 1930s Britain. :rolleyes:

Anyway, Turkey joining the war on the Axis side would probably be the easiest way. The war extends to part of the Middle East. The problem with having the war extend to the Americas is you have to have a country that has something to gain by getting on the wrong side of their northern neighbors (the U.S. and Canada).
 
Best bet - a more interventionist US and a fascist Britain.

POD 1918: Wilson dies in office, Thomas Marshall takes over.

Versailles is a catastrophe; Germany is prostrate, and a less-diplomatic POTUS Marshall, after Wilsonian Points are rejected, publically demands full repayment of all war debts. Britain, France, unable to do this, put the squeeze on the colonies for more revenues.

Roaring 20s are roaring in America only; while not as bad as Weimar Germany, Britain and France have anemic recoveries. Britain's calls for more taxes rejected in Canada. Britain, under right-wing governments, attempts to force Canadian payment. Canada ends Dominion in 1928, proclaims 'Republic of Canada' and asks for US help. USN sorties, tense standoff with RN near Halifax ends peacefully with British acquiesence of Canadian Republic. British furious at US interference.

1929: Crash, depression, far worse in Britain where 20s never got going. Mosley elected, forms friendship with Hitler. Mosley makes good on election pledge, and whips up internal support be deploying troops and RAF assets to British Caribbean to 'safeguard imperial territory from US aggression'. Mosley not planning on actually fighting, just gaining public support. Mosley also rejects French overtures, buddies up to both Hitler and Musso. French terrified, and Americans concerned. Roosevelt able to force through alliance with France in 1934.

1939: Germans attack Poland with USSR (as OTL). US & France DOW Germany. US ships three divisions to France, forming large Army in America for eventual deployment.

1940: Germany takes Norway, Denmark. Germany attacks France. US troops no more prepared for Blitzkrieg than OTL BEF, and fewer US troops besides. German attack goes as OTL; US troops retreat to Brest where US Navy takes them off. Britain, seeing a chance for revenge, attacks, nails some US ships, and forces American Navy from Europe. Japan also attacks as they renew British alliance.

Canada + US + Free France vs Nazi Germany + Fascist Britain (and empire) + Italy + Japan.

1941: Germany and Japan attack USSR as US industrial machine turns on full-bore ...

Now that's a heck of a war.

Mike Turcotte
 
YellowArmy said:
If Edward VII refuses to abdicate (and this is assuming rumours about his Nazi sympathies are true), one could see a scenario where Britain, and thus Canada, are drawn into the conflict on the side of the Nazis (one would need to go back further to eliminate the Franco-British alliance), and thus Canada and America could conceivably go to war in North America.
Edward in no way governed HMG policy, so this is a non-starter...:rolleyes:
 
Anyway, Turkey joining the war on the Axis side would probably be the easiest way. The war extends to part of the Middle East. The problem with having the war extend to the Americas is you have to have a country that has something to gain by getting on the wrong side of their northern neighbors (the U.S. and Canada).
Turkey is pretty war-torn itself though, and while they might be enticed to allow free shipping through the straits, but actual involvement is beyond them, and it's beyond Germany to supply them. Also, just remember that the Americans only entered the war two years in, so any fight that starts before Pearl Harbour is going to be on before the Americans say anything.

Now that's a heck of a war.

Mike Turcotte
Yep, and unfortunately (for the OP) not a likely one, Mosley would be unlikely to get anywhere without being an economic genius, which I'm pretty sure he's not.
 
Axis Argentina vs Allied Brazil The Shah who is overthrown in 1941 stays in power and joins the Axis. There is an Allied invasion of Iran.
 

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Anyway, Turkey joining the war on the Axis side would probably be the easiest way. The war extends to part of the Middle East. The problem with having the war extend to the Americas is you have to have a country that has something to gain by getting on the wrong side of their northern neighbors (the U.S. and Canada).
Is there a way for Iran to join in the Axis side?
 
Turkey and Spain join the Axis. Spain invades Portugul. Portugul joins allies, Brazil aids Portugul, Argentina + Uraguay attack Brazil, Mexico joins Axis and invades U.S....

So, Pro-Axis mass insanity.
 
Turkey is pretty war-torn itself though, and while they might be enticed to allow free shipping through the straits, but actual involvement is beyond them, and it's beyond Germany to supply them. Also, just remember that the Americans only entered the war two years in, so any fight that starts before Pearl Harbour is going to be on before the Americans say anything.

Yeah, but Turkey is the only one that could easily be involved. It would likely be the first Axis power to collapse in this war, and will likely lose chunks of its territory, maybe a Kurdistan is formed out of it.

As for the other, would any fascist power in South America join the Acis declaration of war? Personally I doubt it. The would probably just try to stay out of the more international war or seek a separate peace early on. Its possible they go Axis, but in I don't think it very likely.

Mexico joins Axis and invades U.S...

Not happening unless Mexico gets a severe case of stupid.
 

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Best bet - a more interventionist US and a fascist Britain.

POD 1918: Wilson dies in office, Thomas Marshall takes over.

Versailles is a catastrophe; Germany is prostrate, and a less-diplomatic POTUS Marshall, after Wilsonian Points are rejected, publically demands full repayment of all war debts. Britain, France, unable to do this, put the squeeze on the colonies for more revenues.

Roaring 20s are roaring in America only; while not as bad as Weimar Germany, Britain and France have anemic recoveries. Britain's calls for more taxes rejected in Canada. Britain, under right-wing governments, attempts to force Canadian payment. Canada ends Dominion in 1928, proclaims 'Republic of Canada' and asks for US help. USN sorties, tense standoff with RN near Halifax ends peacefully with British acquiesence of Canadian Republic. British furious at US interference.

1929: Crash, depression, far worse in Britain where 20s never got going. Mosley elected, forms friendship with Hitler. Mosley makes good on election pledge, and whips up internal support be deploying troops and RAF assets to British Caribbean to 'safeguard imperial territory from US aggression'. Mosley not planning on actually fighting, just gaining public support. Mosley also rejects French overtures, buddies up to both Hitler and Musso. French terrified, and Americans concerned. Roosevelt able to force through alliance with France in 1934.

1939: Germans attack Poland with USSR (as OTL). US & France DOW Germany. US ships three divisions to France, forming large Army in America for eventual deployment.

1940: Germany takes Norway, Denmark. Germany attacks France. US troops no more prepared for Blitzkrieg than OTL BEF, and fewer US troops besides. German attack goes as OTL; US troops retreat to Brest where US Navy takes them off. Britain, seeing a chance for revenge, attacks, nails some US ships, and forces American Navy from Europe. Japan also attacks as they renew British alliance.

Canada + US + Free France vs Nazi Germany + Fascist Britain (and empire) + Italy + Japan.

1941: Germany and Japan attack USSR as US industrial machine turns on full-bore ...

Now that's a heck of a war.

Mike Turcotte
I'd read a TL based on this.
 
An Axis Britain might be willing to see Europe's Jews sent to Palestine or allow their shipment to Madagascar. TTL might have the bright spot of no OTL Holocaust, although Madagascar might be a disease nightmare.

Re: larger WWII, maybe Hitler falls down some stairs and Goering takes power. The alliance with the USSR is maintained and we have Operation Orient, the Axis plan to invade the Middle East and link up with Japan in India. Bonus points if the Soviets get involved.

Hitler discussed the plan at one point ("help the rebels in Iraq and Iran against the English," with the idea German troops would be on the borders of India in two years) before his Russia-obsession got the better of him.

You'd have something resembling Alexander's campaign, only with modern weapons. War across the entire Eurasian land mass.
 
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