AHC:Jewish State in Greenland

the challenge i am giving too you today is too establish a Jewish State akin to isreal in Greenland with any pod after 1900 make it happen

This will be fun
:)
 
During WWII, the Danish government accepts refugees into their territory of Greenland (like some Alternate Histories with Jewish Alaska). Then, the Danes are either not invaded by Germany, or they still are and Greenland goes Indy. Considering Greenland was occupied by the US after Denmark was captured, that could still happen with more assistance. Greenland continues to allow refugees in to the nation growing the Jewish population. Considering Greenland captured 70 Germans with only 15 soldiers (3 of which died and 4 injured) with more US assistance, the Germans won't be bothering Greenland for long. If WWII goes the same way as OTL and Greenland returns to Danish rule, they have a much larger reason for Independence (and in OTL all but one of their parties is pro-Indy) due to their larger population, large Jewish population, and different languages. Because of this, I can assume Greenland gets votes in Danish elections and an independence referendum much earlier. Perhaps with the acceptance of Jews in Greenland they can form land not too different from the world in the novel The Yiddish Policeman's Union although I'm not sure about the whole Israel getting destroyed thing.
what did the jews do to you? Greenland? I mean okay.. I agree they need a homeland. and I have no qualm with present day Israel for the most part ( some policies bug me .. but that's about it) .. but Greenland?

hey.. guess what! we found the promised land!
really where!?
Greenland!

<everyone looking > < sound of vodka bottle being tossed to the ground>

There isn't much in Greenland to support much of a population more than it has. Let me ask you a quick question if I might. So you get a call from your brother, he says come to Greenland! your other brother calls from LA or NYC or most other places on the planet and say come move here! .. what do you do? its not like the Torah says and the Jews will return to Greenland one day.

Honestly, no. its a no go.


there are 56,000 people who live in Greenland today. you have about 9 million in Israel ..
 
Possible if Germany wins WW2 before Barbarossa. If Britain sues for peace, Germany will likely look to export Europe's Jews. The holocaust only became official policy when the US entered the war and any hope of the war ending soon and the "hope" of Jews going to Palestine or Madagascar flew out the window.

Perhaps, ATL, German gets to maintain Dutch territories as part of a peace. Hence, Greenland now becomes a destination remote enough from Germany where they can export Jews.

P.S. Before someone accuses me of anti-semitism or something, my mom's 100% Ashkenazim so please spare me.
 
Possible if Germany wins WW2 before Barbarossa. If Britain sues for peace, Germany will likely look to export Europe's Jews. The holocaust only became official policy when the US entered the war and any hope of the war ending soon and the "hope" of Jews going to Palestine or Madagascar flew out the window.

Perhaps, ATL, German gets to maintain Dutch territories as part of a peace. Hence, Greenland now becomes a destination remote enough from Germany where they can export Jews.

P.S. Before someone accuses me of anti-semitism or something, my mom's 100% Ashkenazim so please spare me.
It particularly pisses me off due to having relatives and family members who are holocaust survivors
I don’t know if it was intentional @Histor32 but you sound quite condescending
 
It particularly pisses me off due to having relatives and family members who are holocaust survivors
I don’t know if it was intentional @Histor32 but you sound quite condescending
My relatives were all in the US since the 1800s, but I have friends that are in the same boat as you. That being said, OP's "this will be fun" aside, it is a legitimate question. I mean, Madagascar was part of legitimate discussion after all, so Greenland may work in some crazy ATL.
 
My relatives were all in the US since the 1800s, but I have friends that are in the same boat as you. That being said, OP's "this will be fun" aside, it is a legitimate question. I mean, Madagascar was part of legitimate discussion after all, so Greenland may work in some crazy ATL.
I think Greenland and Iceland could serve as a homeland or perhaps something that was going to be impermanent but lasts longer then anyone wanted too
 
Greenland's a better choice than suffering antisemitism (or worse) in Europe or the Middle East, but most Jews would probably rather move to New York City which was and is a serious center of world Jewry. Or Jerusalem/Palestine, for obvious reasons and the fact there was much Jewish immigration already.

Greenland can support a much larger population, including feeding them, given that the southernmost part of Greenland (near the Norse settlements) can be planted with hardy trees and you can grow plenty of potatoes. Quinoa, too, if you can find it, since I hear it's popular amongst Jews during Passover although some rabbis believe it isn't kosher during that time.

As with any Jewish homeland, the issue of how relations with the locals go is a huge issue. However, there are many good settlement sites in Greenland which have little to no Inuit (or Danish) population so the transition to a Jewish state would likely be far more peaceful than it might in other Jewish settlement schemes like Madagascar, Uganda, or OTL Israel. Although having a bunch of foreigners come to your land in a number that utterly swamps your population and then instituting their laws and rules would understandably be very irksome if you're a Dane or Inuit. So probably there would be protections for Danish and Greenlandic languages, obviously freedom of religion provisions, and hopefully a solid welfare state since the Inuit of Greenland have many social issues related to poverty.
 
It particularly pisses me off due to having relatives and family members who are holocaust survivors
I don’t know if it was intentional @Histor32 but you sound quite condescending
no offence intended, just saying that Greenland out of all places? it doesn't have the infrastructure nor the capability to support that many people. I do understand the holocaust and all that took place, and yes given the choice, most would say yes to Greenland. all I am saying is that Greenland itself short of terraforming is not suitable to a large population. You do have to feed and supply these people, just as easy to just make it a way point and keep them moving into north America.

again no offence intended what so ever. just talking about the logistics and reality. If you are talking 10K people great, if you are talking millions, that is another matter altogether.
 
Not way that Greenland could supply even 10 % of population of modern day Israel. It is frosty place which not supply very large population. Even OTL Greenland has very small population despite that it is world's largest island. And how you get Denmark being OK with that? And surely Inuits have something saying.
 
As I understand, part of the problem with the Norse settlements in Greenland was that they moved there during a relatively warm period, and when it got colder their settlements were not sustainable. Other issues too, but...

Even assuming you plant trees in Southern Greenland and plan to grow altiplano crops, this will take years to ramp up. Simply constructing enough housing to keep folks from freezing would be a huge issue given the number of people that might be involved. Naturally where is the money to do this coming from? Dumping hundreds of thousands of people, 99% of whom have zero skills to deal with the arctic/subarctic environment in Greenland rapidly merely condemns them to death by exposure or starvation.
 
Reminds me of a recent scenario in which the Nazis deport a boatload of Jews to a settled Kerguelen Islands. Local settlers and an international relief effort save the lives of most, and they are gradually sent on, in stages, to Perth. The incident is a public relations disaster for the Nazis.
 
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