AHC: Italy owns Corsica

It's always bothered me that Italy doesn't control Corsica, it would look more aesthetic that way, kind of how the United States would look better if it controlled all of the peninsula Maine borders.

Anyhow, what can plausibly happen so that Italy controls Corsica, Sardinia, and Sicily up until the modern day? What are likely to be the effects of this change? Do we see more Franco-Italian wars as Italy's within striking distance of France? Is Italy a bigger naval power?
 

Skallagrim

Banned
France bought Corsica from Genoa (who had effectively lost control over it) in 1764. Have France not buy it and you're done. Chances are it's going to get absorbed into Italy anyway.

Of course... the butterflies of this are going to be huge, what with history's most famous Corsican possibly not being born (or at least not the same as in OTL) a few years later on, and even if he is, not being French.
 
A Sardinian or Spanish Napoleon could still end up as a major military figure, a la Eugene of Savoy. I doubt he'd have the ability to conquer all the way to Moscow though even if he somehow seized power, Napoleon was the right man in the right place at the right time to change history.
 
A Sardinian or Spanish Napoleon could still end up as a major military figure, a la Eugene of Savoy. I doubt he'd have the ability to conquer all the way to Moscow though even if he somehow seized power, Napoleon was the right man in the right place at the right time to change history.

But does he get the chance to attend a military academy if he is a citizen of another country? IOTL he was able to attend the school of Brienne because his father went to Versailles and obtained him a scholarship.

Napoléon also profited from the circumstances of the Revolution to rise very quickly in the French army.
 

TruthfulPanda

Gone Fishin'
Napoleon rose to was who he was only due to French Revolution and being a French citizen.
Otherwise an Italian (non French) Corsica should not change world history much (if at all). Give it to Piemont at the Congress of Vienna - does anything change versus OTL?
 
But does he get the chance to attend a military academy if he is a citizen of another country? IOTL he was able to attend the school of Brienne because his father went to Versailles and obtained him a scholarship.

Napoléon also profited from the circumstances of the Revolution to rise very quickly in the French army.

Indeed, I was positing that Corsica would be annexed by either one of those countries instead (it could also, I suppose, go to Britain) since I suspect this would be more likely to see it end up as part of Italy (an alt-Cavour basically treating Spanish Corsica like Danish Schleswig-Holstein? and of course Sardinian Corsica is obvious)
 

TruthfulPanda

Gone Fishin'
How plausible would it be to have Corsica get transferred to Sardinia after the Napoleonic Wars?
Quite plausible - simplest would be for Britain to hold on to Corsica in IIRC 1796 and refuse (or drag its feet) to hand it over in 1802.
Or simply the Allies being more pissed off at France at the 100 Days and transferring the island to Piedmont then.
 
The first step to getting Corsica for Italy is to keep it from France, so I’ll address that.

The most obvious way to prevent a French cession is to either avert or resolve the Corsican Revolution. Genoa only sold Corsica to the French after nearly four decades of war and unrest. The rebellion was tremendously costly to Genoa, and although the Genoese managed to suppress the rebels with foreign help on several occasions (the Imperial intervention 1731-1733, the first French intervention 1738-1741), the rebellion simply flared back up as soon as the foreign troops had left. But the Revolution wasn’t inevitable, and if Genoa had treated the island less harshly or committed seriously to efforts towards reconciliation it could have conceivably returned to Genoese control.

The second option would be to have the War of the Austrian Succession turn out differently. The later years of that war saw a British-Sardinian backed expatriate invasion of Corsica (1745) which failed, and a Sardinian landing on Corsica (1748) which came to nothing because the peace was signed shortly thereafter. Sardinia acquiring the island in this war is, IMO, a bit of a longshot, but it was certainly attempted and success wasn’t impossible. That would put Sardinia and Corsica under Savoy-Piedmont’s control, which isn’t yet Italy but goes a long way towards accomplishing your goal.

An independent Corsica could end up as part of an Italian state, but even though I’m presently writing an independent Corsica TL I’ll be the first to admit that the likelihood of success here is not high. Paoli’s republic was the most successful attempt but it could have only succeeded and avoided the French cession with strong British support, which was not forthcoming. Theodore von Neuhoff had the benefit of coming at a more opportune time, but he would have needed some considerable luck to prevail.

Then there’s the box of historical oddities, plans that were either suggested or actually attempted during the Corsican Revolution but went nowhere:
  • Spanish Corsica (supported by the early rebels, briefly proposed by Theodore)
  • Maltese Corsica (favored by some rebels, supported by the Grandmaster of the Order, but quashed by Paoli)
  • Neapolitan Corsica (see Spain)
  • Tuscan/Habsburg Corsica (pursued somewhat halfheartedly by Emperor Francis I, possible with a territory swap)
  • Stuart Corsica (briefly proposed by Theodore, extremely unlikely)
None of these are likely to occur but several of them have at least a bare shred of plausibility given the right circumstances and personalities. Some are likely to end up as Italian (especially a Tuscan cession), some less so.

The only real opportunity for Corsica to escape France after the conquest in 1769 would be during the French Revolutionary/Napoleonic Wars, either as a consequence of a more successful Anglo-Corsican Kingdom (1794-1796) or a different outcome of the Napoleonic Wars such that France is forced to cede Corsica in a peace treaty. The likely outcome of that is a British Corsica, not an “Italian” one (unless the cession is to Sardinia, I suppose), but a cession of British Corsica to a newly-formed Italian state may be possible in the same manner as the United States of the Ionian Islands was eventually ceded to Greece.
 
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Indeed, I was positing that Corsica would be annexed by either one of those countries instead (it could also, I suppose, go to Britain) since I suspect this would be more likely to see it end up as part of Italy (an alt-Cavour basically treating Spanish Corsica like Danish Schleswig-Holstein? and of course Sardinian Corsica is obvious)

What I mean is, while he could be a citizen of a different military power, that country might not have the circumstances in place to allow him to personally rise like he did. He attended Brienne because a scholarship existed for poor nobles (and his father successfully lobbied for it). He became a general while in his 20s because the Republic's military became a meritocracy. He rose to power because of the instability of the Directory. If he lives in another country, those chances probably don't exist, and he quite likely is unknown to us.
 

Skallagrim

Banned
What I mean is, while he could be a citizen of a different military power, that country might not have the circumstances in place to allow him to personally rise like he did. He attended Brienne because a scholarship existed for poor nobles (and his father successfully lobbied for it). He became a general while in his 20s because the Republic's military became a meritocracy. He rose to power because of the instability of the Directory. If he lives in another country, those chances probably don't exist, and he quite likely is unknown to us.

Do note that pre-Revolution France was one of the countries where the officer corps was least open to "upstarts" (although, granted, the navy was worse than the army in that regard). Napoleon excelled in calculations, which made him such a great artillery commander right from the start. That kind of talent is fairly obvious. I'm fairly sure he could still get a military education, based on the fact that armies of all ages actively want fellows like him. He won't be conquering Europe, but he could still enjoy a pretty great career.

This assumes that the hypothetical ATL Napolean, born after the POD, is in fact very much like the OTL Napoleon-- which is not a given.
 

TruthfulPanda

Gone Fishin'
Now I want a non-French Corsica and Bounaparte Napoleon rising through the ranks to become a Fieldmarshall in Austrian service ...
 
Do note that pre-Revolution France was one of the countries where the officer corps was least open to "upstarts" (although, granted, the navy was worse than the army in that regard). Napoleon excelled in calculations, which made him such a great artillery commander right from the start. That kind of talent is fairly obvious. I'm fairly sure he could still get a military education, based on the fact that armies of all ages actively want fellows like him. He won't be conquering Europe, but he could still enjoy a pretty great career.

This assumes that the hypothetical ATL Napolean, born after the POD, is in fact very much like the OTL Napoleon-- which is not a given.

Let's assume that Italian Napoleon has the same sort of attitude and mindset as French Napoleon and he finds himself general of Italy's armies. What would he conquer first? Territories across the Adriatic or the Mediterranean coast of Europe?
 

Skallagrim

Banned
Let's assume that Italian Napoleon has the same sort of attitude and mindset as French Napoleon and he finds himself general of Italy's armies. What would he conquer first? Territories across the Adriatic or the Mediterranean coast of Europe?

There is no united Italy yet.

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Yet.
 

TruthfulPanda

Gone Fishin'
Let's assume that Italian Napoleon has the same sort of attitude and mindset as French Napoleon and he finds himself general of Italy's armies. What would he conquer first? Territories across the Adriatic or the Mediterranean coast of Europe?
Italy has no armies.
Italy needs no armies - Principe Boromirio di Gondorio


Ninjaed by Skallagrim :)
 
No exile to Elba but Corsica for Napoleon,everybody would say this ain't gonna happen but its still Alternate History.The Bonaparte Dynasty could be Dynasty that unites Italy instead of Savoie
 
If Corsica isn't part of France and the French Revolution breaks out as per OTL, could Napoleon go and seek employment there? How open was Revolutionary France to incorporating foreign talent into its officer corps?
 
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