AHC: Ireland united by Englishmen but not part of England

Can Ireland sometimes after 1066 be conquered by anglo-norman-irish lords but not with the King of England as King of Ireland? So Ireland becomes kind of a vassal state which follows London sometimes but also sometimes not. Bonus points if you come up with a way where an English King doesn't just split his realm under his sons.
 
Would Normans count? Because there might be a possibility for some Norman adventurers to establish their own kingdom in Ireland. Another possibility would be having Charles I or Charles II flee to Ireland instead of Europe and continuing to rule there as the last bastion of the UK. You'd probably need French or Spanish help though, which wouldn't be too hard if either Charles was anywhere near as Catholic as propaganda against them claims.
 
Would Normans count? Because there might be a possibility for some Norman adventurers to establish their own kingdom in Ireland. Another possibility would be having Charles I or Charles II flee to Ireland instead of Europe and continuing to rule there as the last bastion of the UK. You'd probably need French or Spanish help though, which wouldn't be too hard if either Charles was anywhere near as Catholic as propaganda against them claims.
There were already Anglo-Norman rulers in Ireland in OTL. What OP is asking is if one of them can manage to unite Ireland and maintain independence from England.
 
There were already Anglo-Norman rulers in Ireland in OTL. What OP is asking is if one of them can manage to unite Ireland and maintain independence from England.
Hard. Henry II got involved because this was sort of what was happening and he wanted to prevent it.
He almost got John made King of Ireland OTL so have that succeed (maybe John's unwell and less of a dick during his tour of Ireland) then grant Richard a son on Berengaria of Navarre.
 
Hard. Henry II got involved because this was sort of what was happening and he wanted to prevent it.
He almost got John made King of Ireland OTL so have that succeed (maybe John's unwell and less of a dick during his tour of Ireland) then grant Richard a son on Berengaria of Navarre.
Well dividing a realm is always a possibility but I dislike the fact that both the Lord or King of Ireland and the King of England would inherit or at least contest the other crown if one branch died out. I specifically had an anglo-irish state in mind that's legally subservient to England which would be in long term way better for the Irish people. Is it possible for a non royal establishing himself and his heirs as Lords (or Duke?) of Ireland? And what exactly could the title be for such a position?
 
Well dividing a realm is always a possibility but I dislike the fact that both the Lord or King of Ireland and the King of England would inherit or at least contest the other crown if one branch died out. I specifically had an anglo-irish state in mind that's legally subservient to England which would be in long term way better for the Irish people. Is it possible for a non royal establishing himself and his heirs as Lords (or Duke?) of Ireland? And what exactly could the title be for such a position?
I can only see a nonroyal Irish lordship/duchy if the King of England holds the Irish Crown, which defeats your purpose.
In order to get a vassal kingdom to England in would need to originate from the English Crown in some way. Perhaps male agnates only for one of the crowns? That should reduce merging.
 
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