AHC- Ireland reunites with the UK

Ireland continues with protectionist polices and trade war with the British until the late 1950s resulting in a collapse of the Irish economy.
Ireland goes bankrupt in the late in 1950s and has much higher emigration than OTL.
Massive population drop.
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Irish Independence is seen as a economic disaster.

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I think it is probable as Poland joining with Germany in the 1930s to form a single country.
 
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Pangur

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Thinking Germany is about to win in September 1940 Ireland declares war on the United Kingdom. When Sealion doesn't happen the UK deals with its western neighbour and invades declaring the 1922 Anglo Irish treaty null and void.
and the Irish accept this?
 

Pangur

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No. Ireland declaring war on UK is ASB.
If UK was in danger of losing thee war the Irish would still stay neutral.
When Sealion doesn't happen the UK deals with its western neighbour and invades declaring the 1922 Anglo Irish treaty null and void.

That impies invasion
 
Ireland continues with protectionist polices and trade war with the British until the late 1950s resulting in a collapse of the Irish economy.
Ireland goes bankrupt in the late in 1950s and has much higher emigration than OTL.
Massive population drop.
pop_historical.png

Irish Independence is seen as a economic disaster.

I think this is only really possible if the country is an and out dictatorship. Even Dev's government which fought the trade war in the first place was open to compromise as early as 1935 and arguably the OTL resolution was a partial win for Dublin with the disappearance of the £3 million a year in land annuities the Irish government had to pay.

Continuing the trade war indefinitely requires the Irish government to be implausibly hardline and for that government to continually win elections in the face of economic collapse.
 
When Sealion doesn't happen the UK deals with its western neighbour and invades declaring the 1922 Anglo Irish treaty null and void.

That impies invasion

In the suggested move, Ireland would have declared war on the UK which would have resulted in a UK response. Now in such a situation I think it would be more likely that the UK smashes up Ireland and then puts a more favourable regime in charge while demanding the Treaty Ports permanently be given to the UK.
 
I think this is only really possible if the country is an and out dictatorship. Even Dev's government which fought the trade war in the first place was open to compromise as early as 1935 and arguably the OTL resolution was a partial win for Dublin with the disappearance of the £3 million a year in land annuities the Irish government had to pay.

And the Treaty Ports being returned as well.
 

Pangur

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In the suggested move, Ireland would have declared war on the UK which would have resulted in a UK response. Now in such a situation I think it would be more likely that the UK smashes up Ireland and then puts a more favourable regime in charge while demanding the Treaty Ports permanently be given to the UK.
Missed that bit.Thats to be polite highly unlikely.
 
There is a political party called “The Southern Unionist Party”. It has almost zero support, but exists non the less. You would have to get it large enough to form a government though.
Ireland is a strange place, it was the Catholic MP’s that voted in the Union in the first place and the Presbyterians were against it.
One can conclude what may well be ABS to normal people, could quite easily be realistic here.
 
Frankly as much as I'd bash Dev, he's not wrong in pointing out that NI wouldn't have agreed to it (hell at the sametime they were arguing about invading Ireland)
Agreed but you wouldn't have got nothing at the same time. Stormont would have been glad of a chance to shed South Armagh and might even have agreed to give up South Fermanagh. Hardly prizes to justify entrance into a global war though. From an economic point of view, the curious thing is that a strong movement for Irish independence coincided with the point where the UK was finally pumping more money into Ireland than they were taking out of it.
The best prospect for this I think would be an early Home Rule with no/much less bad blood (so probably a pre 1900 POD) and only a 4 county exclusion (with direct rule and no Stormont). And Britain avoids any participation in WW1 (no conscription issues or decimation of the Anglo-Irish). As the Liberal reforms of the Edwardian era and the reforms (either Liberal or Labour, not sure if Labour would supplant the Liberals in a no WW1 scenario) of the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s kick in, everybody starts noticing that the Four Counties have much better schools, hospitals and healthcare, access to universities, welfare benefits, agricultural colleges and farm improvement schemes (which isn't Home Rule Ireland's fault but they have a tax base of 4 million and the UK a tax base of 50 million). And with no Stormont there isn't the sectarianism or Unionist triumphalism. And no blood of heroes and martyrs or brutal acts of repression to have to wade over. By the late 1940s:- "Ye know this whole Home Rule thing has been a bit of a cod. It's been good for the Church no denying. But can ye stand there and tell me Saunderson and Craig weren't a cute pair of boys who could see what side of the bread the butter was on?"
 
Agreed but you wouldn't have got nothing at the same time. Stormont would have been glad of a chance to shed South Armagh and might even have agreed to give up South Fermanagh. Hardly prizes to justify entrance into a global war though.
Short of an entire unification I couldn't see the Cabinet even thinking about it, let alone putting it to the Daíl, not when as you say you're talking about joining a global war.
 
No. Ireland declaring war on UK is ASB.
If UK was in danger of losing thee war the Irish would still stay neutral.
To be fair the idea of Ireland reuniting with the UK is ASB. The Irish would never willingly do it, and the British really wouldn't want them. Far too much trouble. It could only happen by force and Britain would have only done it if Ireland joined Britain's enemies and even then probably not. Better to just put a puppet government in place.
 
If Britain was a republic or a Federal Republic with a , written constitution, bill of Rights, and separation of powers for the UK that might make things easier.
I am not sure the Unionists would like it.
 
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The only way I could see that happening if both the UK and the republic were subsumed into a Nazi-dominated Europe with the Republic having some pull with the reich.
 
The only way I could see it happening would be some sort of global catastrophe that's sees union with the UK as Ireland's best choice. Maybe the Cold War goes hot and in a limited nuclear exchange large swathes of the US and USSR are destroyed whilst Western Europe manages to avoid too much damage, a rogue–or possibly aimed–missile however hits Dublin. With the global sutuation upended, likelihood of much cooler weather on the horizon, and the country's governmental, economic, and cultural centre destroyed the remains of the government decides that rejoining the UK is the best–or least worst–option available. For another flavour of apocalypse have a global pandemic, natural or more likely man-made that's escaped, break out. A sufficiently large percentage–say more than half–of the global population dies out that reunion with the UK starts to look pretty good.
 
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