AHC:International Titoism

Make Titoist branch of Communism adopted by at least two other countries.
It would be easy for communists to be infulenced by, or draw inspiration from, Titoism. But official adoption:confused:

Bonus if at least one of them is a non-European country.
 
Well, unlike most other brands of "communist" (read: dictatorship) forms of government during the Cold War, Titoism actually seemed to work, at least on a limited scale.

IMO the best way for this to be successful is to have another communist country break from the Soviet sphere like Tito did.

Janos Kadar's Hungary is a good candidate. The only trick is for Hungary to break away without triggering a response from the USSR...

-AYC
 
Albania strikes me as a very good candidate for Titoism. The Soviets would have to cross Yugoslavia to get there and it's a smaller country, so Tito's brand of socialism might work pretty well there.
 
Well, unlike most other brands of "communist" (read: dictatorship) forms of government during the Cold War, Titoism actually seemed to work, at least on a limited scale.

IMO the best way for this to be successful is to have another communist country break from the Soviet sphere like Tito did.

Janos Kadar's Hungary is a good candidate. The only trick is for Hungary to break away without triggering a response from the USSR...

-AYC

This. I could see it happening if (big if) the USSR decides a Titoist Hungary is not so bad, and would be a better alternative then the negative PR of an invasion. Perhaps have Czechoslovakia follow suit in 1968
 
Albania strikes me as a very good candidate for Titoism. The Soviets would have to cross Yugoslavia to get there and it's a smaller country, so Tito's brand of socialism might work pretty well there.

Hoxa would be a problem though, I think. He was Stalinist with a dash of Maoism agrarianism(?).

Have someone else than him and his clan get on top of the nation.
 
Hoxa would be a problem though, I think. He was Stalinist with a dash of Maoism agrarianism(?).

Have someone else than him and his clan get on top of the nation.

IIRC Tito was pushing to have Albania made part of Yugoslavia after the war. Perhaps have that happen, but Albania leaves Yugoslavia in the early 1950s with Titoism firmly entrenched
 
IIRC Tito was pushing to have Albania made part of Yugoslavia after the war. Perhaps have that happen, but Albania leaves Yugoslavia in the early 1950s with Titoism firmly entrenched

That could make a certain 'reaction' trend against anything Yugoslavian-Titoist, depending on how bad the split-separation came from and go.... a desire to act different.
 
That could make a certain 'reaction' trend against anything Yugoslavian-Titoist, depending on how bad the split-separation came from and go.... a desire to act different.

Very true. Perhaps have Yugoslavia occupy Albania for a few years as a protection zone (similar to the Soviet occupation of East Germany) and then put in a puppet regime after letting Albania declare independence.
 
Very true. Perhaps have Yugoslavia occupy Albania for a few years as a protection zone (similar to the Soviet occupation of East Germany) and then put in a puppet regime after letting Albania declare independence.

That will be possibly a very impopular rule, and one may expect 'oppositions' of a few forms... It would be an interesting sight.

Depending on how de-Islam-isation went by example, or nationalism rise-fall, you may have even guerrilla/civil troubles/uprisings later on, with contacts around other nations... How far fetched to go this bad? Not sure...
 
Albania strikes me as a very good candidate for Titoism. The Soviets would have to cross Yugoslavia to get there and it's a smaller country, so Tito's brand of socialism might work pretty well there.
Yes, Albania seems to be the best choice. It is right next to Yugoslavia, anyways.
 

katchen

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I have heard that Vietnam could have been a candidate for Titoism if the US had recognized an independent Vietnam in 1945 instead of bringing back the French. Such an independent Vietnam would probably have encompassed Laos as well unless the US let Thailand keep it. Maybe even Cambodia.
 
I made a thread on the possibility of a Titoist-esque regime in North Korea, though even they managed to break away from the Soviet bloc (and aligning itself with China) before switching sides again.
 
I have heard that Vietnam could have been a candidate for Titoism if the US had recognized an independent Vietnam in 1945 instead of bringing back the French. Such an independent Vietnam would probably have encompassed Laos as well unless the US let Thailand keep it. Maybe even Cambodia.

I always wondered if you could turn Thailand er, 'agressive'... and in such a scenario, radical anticommunist power figures may go.. tense. And get ready for war at least, as laos is close both geographically AND culturally...
 
Greece could be an interesting candidate, for sure, especially if the KKE wins the Greek Civil War and remained buddies with Yugoslavia.
 
Greece could be an interesting candidate, for sure, especially if the KKE wins the Greek Civil War and remained buddies with Yugoslavia.

But weren't the KKE still firmly Stalinist during the Stalin-Tito Split? Even if they managed to take control of Greece (unlikely given the Percentages Agreement), it was hardly a given that they'd buddy up w/ Tito.

AYoungContrarian said:
Janos Kadar's Hungary is a good candidate. The only trick is for Hungary to break away without triggering a response from the USSR...

Unlike Yugoslavia, Hungary shared a border w/ the USSR, so Kadar's government would have to do some acrobatic geopolitical maneuvering if it chooses to side w/ Tito. Otherwise, the Red Army will go right on into Budapest.
 
I always wondered if you could turn Thailand er, 'agressive'... and in such a scenario, radical anticommunist power figures may go.. tense. And get ready for war at least, as laos is close both geographically AND culturally...

It's a bad idea.

To be aggressive means a high defense budget.

As a developing country, that would mean to sacrifice your own economic development .

Especially when your opponent possesses a socialist command economy (a Titoist VN not a Stalinist one, but still...)

An underdeveloped economy create breeding bed for communist insurgencies (already was in OTL), in the same time, communist China and Vietnam may be feel threatened about your aggressive behavior and fund the insurgents. (Titoist VN may not get long with PRC, but when facing a common threat?)

Don't forget Thailand is a multi-ethnic nation, an shortcoming your insurgents can easily exploit.

Perfect scenario to destroy a country.
 
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I have heard that Vietnam could have been a candidate for Titoism if the US had recognized an independent Vietnam in 1945 instead of bringing back the French. Such an independent Vietnam would probably have encompassed Laos as well unless the US let Thailand keep it. Maybe even Cambodia.

Just wondering.

Would it possible for Thailand and Vietnam agree to turn Laos and Cambodia into buffer states, just like Britain and France turned Thailand into a buffer state.

The Thais were always pro in geopolitical maneuvering.
 
Well, unlike most other brands of "communist" (read: dictatorship) forms of government during the Cold War, Titoism actually seemed to work, at least on a limited scale.

It seemed to work only because of unique geopolitical realities. Yugoslavia represented a buffer between the East and West. As such it enjoyed significant financial and diplomatic support and Tito skillfully maneuvered the country without aligning with any of the superpowers. Due to the fact that any potential conflict in Yugoslavia would have pretty high probability of escalating into direct confrontation between the superpowers, everyone understood that it should be left alone.
 
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