AHC: industrialized Holland

It is known in OTL history that, due to many sad things happening to the nation during the early 1800s, Holland was behind industrialization and never really catched up. I mean, think about it- it even lagged behind Belgium's industrialization!:(
With a POD between 1790 and 1800, make Holland much more industrialized than IOTL....
 
With a POD between 1790 and 1800, make Holland much more industrialized than IOTL....

Ok, the Netherlands manages to either keep Belgium, or at least the coal and iran mines or the Netherlands gains the nearby Ruhr area in Germany.

Also France not ruining the Dutch economy would help (although to be fair, the 18th century wasn't friendly to the Netherlands, still France, the wars and the boycot probably caused a near death blow).
 
Ok, the Netherlands manages to either keep Belgium, or at least the coal and iran mines or the Netherlands gains the nearby Ruhr area in Germany.

Also France not ruining the Dutch economy would help (although to be fair, the 18th century wasn't friendly to the Netherlands, still France, the wars and the boycot probably caused a near death blow).
So there's a lot of coal in Belgium? How would the Netherlands be able to gain those territories?
 
So there's a lot of coal in Belgium? How would the Netherlands be able to gain those territories?
Well, they got it after the Napoleonic wars in 1815, but with bad politics king Willem I lost them in the 1830's. So the question is not how would the Netherlands get it, but how would they keep it.
 
Well, they got it after the Napoleonic wars in 1815, but with bad politics king Willem I lost them in the 1830's. So the question is not how would the Netherlands get it, but how would they keep it.
What I thought was that the Holland-Belgium split happened because of religious reasons.....could it have been solved politically?
 
What I thought was that the Holland-Belgium split happened because of religious reasons.....could it have been solved politically?
No, it was not a simple split between Catholics and Protestants. Don't forget, after the split 40% of the Netherlands was still Catholic. To be fair religion was part of the reasons for the split and so was the language question, but with a petter policy from king Willem I and certainly with a less stupid crown Prince the split could be avoided.
 
yes it is often suggested that crown-price willem was actually the one that stimulated the rebel to rebel, because he wanted to be king so badly. so instead of waiting for his father to die, he thought about becoming king of belgium.


so a good start would be crown prince willem kicking the bucket at waterloo (where he got wounded OTL)
 
No, it was not a simple split between Catholics and Protestants. Don't forget, after the split 40% of the Netherlands was still Catholic. To be fair religion was part of the reasons for the split and so was the language question, but with a petter policy from king Willem I and certainly with a less stupid crown Prince the split could be avoided.
Is there any TL that has tried prolonging the Netherland-Belgium?
 
It is known in OTL history that, due to many sad things happening to the nation during the early 1800s, Holland was behind industrialization and never really catched up. I mean, think about it- it even lagged behind Belgium's industrialization!:(
With a POD between 1790 and 1800, make Holland much more industrialized than IOTL....

You mean The Netherlands as a whole, not the province of Holland, right?
 
Lagging behind Belgium industrially isn't too bad, they where pretty early on the bandwagon of industrial development and kept it up pretty well. Really if you want a comparison point for slow industrialization look at Denmark, Austria, Poland, and Italy.
 
Lagging behind Belgium industrially isn't too bad, they where pretty early on the bandwagon of industrial development and kept it up pretty well. Really if you want a comparison point for slow industrialization look at Denmark, Austria, Poland, and Italy.
I don´t know when they industrialised, but I do now the netherlands was relatively late. I would say that Dutch industrialisation started around 1865*. At the same time as Sweden, but after Germany France, Belgium and the UK (before Russia though).


*De bosatlas van de geschiedenis van Nederland
 
It was called the United Kingdom of the Netherlands.

Officially it was just the kingdom of the Netherlands, however the kingdom in this period usually is called the kingdom of the United Netherlands or the United Kingdom of the Netherlands.
 
According to this page, there were a number of reasons for the late industrialization: Before 1830, the Kingdom had stimulated industrial growth in the southern provinces, mostly Wallonia, and investment in trade and agriculture in the North. The 1830 start of the (in)famous Cultuurstelsel in the colonies made them more profitable for the Dutch, so less incentive for industry at home. The Liberals under Thorbecke were Free Traders and buying industrial goods from the UK was cheaper than founding the industry at home, again.

Plus, the steam engine as the archetypical tool of industrialization was not very popular in the Netherlands, because there was already a highly developed system of windmills for e.g. looms or pumps; and coal mostly had to be bought from the UK or Germany. In 1851 the Netherlands had just 292 steam engines whereas Belgium had more than 2000 with each about the double power output of the Dutch ones.
 
Officially it was just the kingdom of the Netherlands, however the kingdom in this period usually is called the kingdom of the United Netherlands or the United Kingdom of the Netherlands.
So, back to the question. How fast could the United Kingdom industrialize with a politically stable arena?
 
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