By god, that does sound comical.
Now it makes me seem that Mexico was doomed before it even began.
By god, that does sound comical.
Now it makes me seem that Mexico was doomed before it even began.
Yeah, I don't know if I would go as far as to say that they were doomed from the start, but it's definitely hard to politically stabilize the country during the 19th century. Even though the royalists faded away relatively quickly, their mantle was taken by conservative republican who continued to resist reform. No matter what happened, the Catholic Church and the landed gentry would always have fought to the very last breath for the preservation of Spanish colonial values, and you can't just expect the common people to stand idly for the entire century in a country that has a literal cast system and feudalism in all but name.
I wonder if a total liberal victory is possible to achieve relatively early on in some manner? I don't really see a path for peaceful gradual reform...
The Americans lose the War of 1812 badly. A more persuasive Hartford convention ensures an independent New England Confederacy.
Santa Ana is a better person and politician. He is elected to the office of the presidency and serves a stable term, paving the way for peaceful succession of several presidents.
In the early 1840s, Mexico goes to war with a severely weakened United States (Virginia, both Carolinas, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Lousiana, Tennessee, and Arkansas). Mexico annexed Louisiana and Arkansas. Mississippi is formed into a protectorate by Mexico.
Mexico continues to industrialize while the United States become a backwater governed by a fragile system ruled by planter class strongmen. Veracruz becomes a symbol of hope for those looking for a better life.
By 1900, Mexico is the guardian of Central America and one of the top exporters in the world, stretching from Lousiana to Alto California to the Yucatan.
(Best way I thought to have the USA to be dominated by Mexico)
Santa Ana is a better person and politician. He is elected to the office of the presidency and serves a stable term, paving the way for peaceful succession of several presidents.
In the early 1840s, Mexico goes to war with a severely weakened United States (Virginia, both Carolinas, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Lousiana, Tennessee, and Arkansas). Mexico annexed Louisiana and Arkansas. Mississippi is formed into a protectorate by Mexico.
Mexico continues to industrialize while the United States become a backwater governed by a fragile system ruled by planter class strongmen. Veracruz becomes a symbol of hope for those looking for a better life.
By 1900, Mexico is the guardian of Central America and one of the top exporters in the world, stretching from Lousiana to Alto California to the Yucatan.
(Best way I thought to have the USA to be dominated by Mexico)
There's a difference. A constitutional monarchy Mexico would be a democracy but not a republic.
unprincipled peter
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It's a complete Bourbon Wank, and much of it is very poorly written, but here's a timeline I started on just such a topic:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/that-sweet-mexican-bourbon-magic.437573/
Maybe tame down the wank (or keep it if you're up for that), and figure out how to make it anywhere near realistic.
It's unlikely you'd get to a situation where New Spain is in the position of peacefully transitioning to a monarchy, or that there's a competent prince in the position of wanting to go be King there, but if you can figure out how to get a competent King steadying the country and spending the resources on bettering New Spain instead of draining them to Spain (Earlier the better), Mexico has a chance of dominating the continent.
Another option is B. Galvez. He was a popular viceroy who died suddenly in 1786. There were some rumors the crown poisoned him because he was getting too popular and they feared him taking the country independent. Don't know how real those rumors were OTL, but TTL change up his death and have him taking the country.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/that-sweet-mexican-bourbon-magic.437573/
Maybe tame down the wank (or keep it if you're up for that), and figure out how to make it anywhere near realistic.
It's unlikely you'd get to a situation where New Spain is in the position of peacefully transitioning to a monarchy, or that there's a competent prince in the position of wanting to go be King there, but if you can figure out how to get a competent King steadying the country and spending the resources on bettering New Spain instead of draining them to Spain (Earlier the better), Mexico has a chance of dominating the continent.
Another option is B. Galvez. He was a popular viceroy who died suddenly in 1786. There were some rumors the crown poisoned him because he was getting too popular and they feared him taking the country independent. Don't know how real those rumors were OTL, but TTL change up his death and have him taking the country.