AHC: Independent Levantine state(s) from 1400s-through 1800s

raharris1973

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This is not a Crusaders win challenge by design.

Rather, this is a challenge to overcome the historical reality of the Levant for most of the period from the 1300s to the 1800s. The region was ruled as appendage of either Egypt or the Ottoman Empire.

Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to have one or more independent Islamic-ruled states exist in the Levant (modern Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, sometimes also known as Greater Syria) exist as a sovereign entity for at least 200 years.

0 points for Levantine states ruled from Cairo or Constantinople
.5 point if your solution is a Persian ruled Levant
1 points if your solution is a united Greater Syria
2 points for two long-lasting states
3 points for 3
4 for 4
 
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We'll if you keep the Turks In Anatolia fractured you remove one of the three large powers ready to swallow it up. I guess then it wouldn't be that hard to have some greater Syrian state form or Persia to occupy it.
 
We'll if you keep the Turks In Anatolia fractured you remove one of the three large powers ready to swallow it up. I guess then it wouldn't be that hard to have some greater Syrian state form or Persia to occupy it.

You don't want them to be too fractured, or the region will fall to Egyptian influence very quickly. You need powers that are strong enough to counter each other and evenly matched enough that a Levantine state or two would be able to play them off of each other.
 

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Hmmm... How about... Timur conquers both Egypt and Anatolia, and when his empire crumbles, various Levantines states are formed in the aftermath.

Eygpt and Anatolia, both weakened and fractured, are unable to solidify control over the Levant, securing the independence of whatever states are formed.
 

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Let's apply the same challenge to Iraq:

In OTL last millenium, Iraq was usually a mere appendage of Persia or Ottoman Turkey. Your challenge is to have Iraq become one or two or three states holding sovereignty for over at least 200 years from the 1300s to the 1800s.
 
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What is this "Iraq" you speak of in the context of the period in question?

The borders of various sultanates or emirates based in say, Mosul, overlapped into what's now Turkey or what's now Iran or both as well as modern Iraq - so I'm not sure how much any one of those would count if one made it.
 
What is this "Iraq" you speak of in the context of the period in question?

The borders of various sultanates or emirates based in say, Mosul, overlapped into what's now Turkey or what's now Iran or both as well as modern Iraq - so I'm not sure how much any one of those would count if one made it.

Perhaps a continuing Abbasid state around Baghdad? Its technically Iraq and the easiest (relatively speaking) to do. Have the Caliph not be a complete idiot and either pay for a defense against the Mongols or offer himself as a vassal. Having the titular head of the Muslim world as a vassal can't hurt. Though I'm unsure of how long such a state would last.
 

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this one shown here

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:)....and here too....Mr. smart aleck

"Iraq" is regional name of old pedigree. If it was not in much usage specifically from 1400 to 1800, its use at least brackets the period before in addition to modern times. It's a trope that Iraq was a British invention. Modern Iraq was re-created as a result of WWI, but over a thousand years ago Iraq, as well as Mesopotamia were geographic expressions that sometimes coincided with political units.

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