AHC Idea/WI: German Revolution, France keeps monarchy?

Okay, this is basically as it says on the tin, mostly.

This is actually an idea I have been seriously contemplating devoting to a TLIAD one of these days, but for now, let's just stick to discussion: what if France had kept its monarchy(albeit with reforms), but it was Germany that had a revolution, or revolutions, of sorts, and became a republican state?

The POD, can be anytime between 1747, and 1788, the year before the French Revolution started.
 
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Yuelang

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and at the same time WHICH German Kingdoms? Prussia, Bavaria, Schleswig-Holstein, Hannover, Saxony and such are still basically discrete kingdoms who only bound by common cultures... and technically they're still answer to Austrian Emperor :p

Oh if you mean transformation from Holy-Roman-Empire into Holy-Roman-Republic (which easy to do), it means that the German Kingdoms just remove emperor and replace him with an elected noble act as "Primus inter Pares" or "Imperator". But the discrete Kingdoms are still Kingdoms of course.

France keeping monarchy is easier, while turning into at least constitutional monarchy is inevitable, avoid all hijinks that end up turning the radicals in powers are quite easy, we just need to get a smarter Louis XV (not XVI, he's already hopeless by that point)
 
France keeping monarchy is easier, while turning into at least constitutional monarchy is inevitable, avoid all hijinks that end up turning the radicals in powers are quite easy, we just need to get a smarter Louis XV (not XVI, he's already hopeless by that point)
By which point? He was constitutional monarch, 1789-1792. So how could that period be altered so that Louis XVI is left alive as a powerless figurehead, not deposed?
 
What if there is a different Louis XVI - the father of the OTL Louis? Louis-Ferdinand was the son of Louis XV and born in 1729. The POD would be him not dying in 1765. If he were still alive, he'd be in his 60s during the Revolution and perhaps, given his experience, would respond to events more proactively and not let the National/Legislative Assemblies take the initiative.
 
What if there is a different Louis XVI - the father of the OTL Louis? Louis-Ferdinand was the son of Louis XV and born in 1729. The POD would be him not dying in 1765. If he were still alive, he'd be in his 60s during the Revolution and perhaps, given his experience, would respond to events more proactively and not let the National/Legislative Assemblies take the initiative.

Perhaps so, although that would be kinda outside the POD range. Anybody have any specific German PODs they'd like to add?
 
Easy: Louis promises damages to aristocracy after everything is fixed-up (probably only gonna delay it, though), aristocracy agrees, and no Estates-General raised. Or, you could have the peasants modernize (Vive la Potato!) and the Revolution remains in aristocratic hands. After they realize that only the King can do anything, they give up and Estates-General dismissed.
 

Kingpoleon

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Napoleon was, to quote Metternich "influential to whatever country or time he should be born in...". What if, say, Austria buys/annexes Corsica in an attempt to surround Italy? Then Napoleon would be in a country with many races. Of course, the main problem is that if the POD was as far back as 1750 even, Napoleon might not be born. Whoever does this needs to be careful no interference is run with Corsica until December of 1868.
 
Napoleon was, to quote Metternich "influential to whatever country or time he should be born in...". What if, say, Austria buys/annexes Corsica in an attempt to surround Italy? Then Napoleon would be in a country with many races. Of course, the main problem is that if the POD was as far back as 1750 even, Napoleon might not be born. Whoever does this needs to be careful no interference is run with Corsica until December of 1868.

It's not predestined that Napoleon will become a famous, or even competent commander in whatever country he's born in. Do the opportunities even exist in Austria for Napoleon to develop in the exact same way that he did OTL?
 
It's not predestined that Napoleon will become a famous, or even competent commander in whatever country he's born in. Do the opportunities even exist in Austria for Napoleon to develop in the exact same way that he did OTL?

It was definitely possible for minor nobility, (that's what Napoleon was before the revolution right?) even foreigners, to be highly successfull in the Austrian military.

That said, it is far more likely that Napoleon would come to power inside the Habsburg system, rather than against it.

There is simply no revolutionary situation in 18th and early 19th century Austria and Germany as a whole. Even if a revolution occured in Vienna for example, the Emperor could just shift the Government to Innsbruck or Linz and suppress the rebellion with the help of the countryside, that was generally extremely loyal to the monarchy.
No German city ever had the power, influence and importance of Paris. The German cities wouldn't be able to carry a revolution alone, which is essencially what Paris did.
 
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