AHC | Hunnic Egypt

Maoistic

Banned
Have the Sassanids get overran by the Huns. Then the Huns invade Egypt and manage to hold it. We get a more Zoroastrian Egypt than in history.
 

SeaCambrian

A few different possibilities:
  • The Huns take control of Spain or Italy and recreate Genseric's conquest of Africa, creating a Hunnic Kingdom where the Vandal Kingdom was, and staging a naval invasion of Egypt
  • The Huns are recruited by the Romans as foederati in Anatolia, bypassing Constantinople. During a time of chaos and war between Rome and Persia, the Huns migrate south and conquer Syria and Egypt.
  • The Hepthalites or White Huns conquer Sassanian Persia from the east and then conquer Egypt as rulers of Persia.
 

Toraach

Banned
There is a story here about Hephthalites also called White Huns who built a great empire in Iran. I don't read it all, perhaps they got even to Egypt.
 

alexmilman

Alexander Helios said:
If you take the challenge, with any POD, have the Huns be established in Egypt. Bonus if they last 50+ years.
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How exactly the Huns, the horse culture, would establish themselves for any considerable period of time in the area which, AFAIK, absolutely unsuitable for their life style? The horses need pastures. A lot of them.

And why would they do such a self-destructive thing?
 

SeaCambrian

alexmilman said:
How exactly the Huns, the horse culture, would establish themselves for any considerable period of time in the area which, AFAIK, absolutely unsuitable for their life style? The horses need pastures. A lot of them.

And why would they do such a self-destructive thing?
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Well, the Fatimids, Ayyubids, and Mamluks managed to raise impressive cavalry forces in the region of Egypt and the Levant.
 

alexmilman

SeaCambrian said:
Well, the Fatimids, Ayyubids, and Mamluks managed to raise impressive cavalry forces in the region of Egypt and the Levant.
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None of them had been nomads. This is not the same as managing to have a good cavalry, it is totally different life style that requires big pastures for all kinds of the livestock. The OTL Huns settled on the Hungarian Plain, the Western end of the Big Steppe.
 
Alexander Helios

Alexander Helios

alexmilman said:
None of them had been nomads. This is not the same as managing to have a good cavalry, it is totally different life style that requires big pastures for all kinds of the livestock. The OTL Huns settled on the Hungarian Plain, the Western end of the Big Steppe.
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Well, if they adapted to Egypt, they could survive.
 

darthfanta

alexmilman said:
How exactly the Huns, the horse culture, would establish themselves for any considerable period of time in the area which, AFAIK, absolutely unsuitable for their life style? The horses need pastures. A lot of them.

And why would they do such a self-destructive thing?
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Lots of nomads settle down eventually—like the Turks for example.
 

darthfanta

alexmilman said:
They conquered Egypt as an army but did not settle in it as a nation.
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That is a problematic statement in itself.Just how many nomads formed a ‘nation’?Most nomadic empires were nothing more than loose tribal associations .The Huns were definitely not a nation.Most of the time,nomads just abandon their nomadic lifestyles and become the nobility of the land whenever they conquer a great sedentary country,becoming assimilated to the local culture on the way.To say that they did not ‘settle’ when they conquer a country because they did not continue their previous lifestyle is just weird.There’s no need to do so other than military purpose,and they most likely get massively outnumbered by the natives.
 
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