AHC: Hungaromania!

With a POD or PODs after January 1st 1900, create a plausible state known as "Hungary-Romania" or "Hungaromania" before the year 1939. This doesn't have to be its official name, though, maybe just the colloquial moniker.

The state should control at least the area of OTL 2011 Hungary and Romania.

For extra points, have the unitary state survive (in some form) until the present day.
 
I'm sorry but what you're asking is simply impossible short of having an ASB do it by magic.
 
CP win, AH annexes Romania (to keep Russian out?). Hungary splits off and takes Romania?

Not likely but slightly possible.
 
CP win, AH annexes Romania (to keep Russian out?). Hungary splits off and takes Romania?

Not likely but slightly possible.

No, I'm sorry but the idea that AH would annex Romania is fantasy, AH was already at breaking point with how many different cultures it could house. There is no way Hungary would even try to take Romania if/when it split, because a civil war would be impossible to stop. At best they could try to keep more of Transylvania, but even that will probably trigger a war, akin to the 1919-1920 Hungarian-Romanian war.
 
No, I'm sorry but the idea that AH would annex Romania is fantasy, AH was already at breaking point with how many different cultures it could house. There is no way Hungary would even try to take Romania if/when it split, because a civil war would be impossible to stop. At best they could try to keep more of Transylvania, but even that will probably trigger a war, akin to the 1919-1920 Hungarian-Romanian war.

Actually, taking all of Romania could be a good move by AH if implemented together with additional steps:

The basic assumption here is that CP win. Let's assume that they got Italy on their side due to fulfilling some of their irredentist claims - say Trentino and parts of Küstenland besides Triest. This eliminates the Italian minority in AH. Furthermore, an independent Poland as a puppet will likely exist. Let's say the kingdom of Poland gets a Hapsburg monarch and all of Galicia, eliminating the Poles and the Ukrainians from the ethnic hodgepodge. Now rather than annexing Serbia, which will be very hostile, AH annexes Romania out of two reasons: first, to gain something from the war. Second, and more important, the Romanians would become a large ethnicity and likely could be used by Vienna as a counterweight to the Hungarians. If they made Romania the frequently proposed third crown this would institutionalize Romania as a counterweight to the Hungarians.

Within a CP-win scenario, this isn't that bad for AH.
 

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Actually, taking all of Romania could be a good move by AH if implemented together with additional steps:

The basic assumption here is that CP win. Let's assume that they got Italy on their side due to fulfilling some of their irredentist claims - say Trentino and parts of Küstenland besides Triest. This eliminates the Italian minority in AH. Furthermore, an independent Poland as a puppet will likely exist. Let's say the kingdom of Poland gets a Hapsburg monarch and all of Galicia, eliminating the Poles and the Ukrainians from the ethnic hodgepodge. Now rather than annexing Serbia, which will be very hostile, AH annexes Romania out of two reasons: first, to gain something from the war. Second, and more important, the Romanians would become a large ethnicity and likely could be used by Vienna as a counterweight to the Hungarians. If they made Romania the frequently proposed third crown this would institutionalize Romania as a counterweight to the Hungarians.

Within a CP-win scenario, this isn't that bad for AH.

The Italian minority in AH was absolutely irrelevant, most of the italian minority areas were made up of whole cloth by irredentists in Italy.
 
Actually, taking all of Romania could be a good move by AH if implemented together with additional steps:

The basic assumption here is that CP win. Let's assume that they got Italy on their side due to fulfilling some of their irredentist claims - say Trentino and parts of Küstenland besides Triest. This eliminates the Italian minority in AH. Furthermore, an independent Poland as a puppet will likely exist. Let's say the kingdom of Poland gets a Hapsburg monarch and all of Galicia, eliminating the Poles and the Ukrainians from the ethnic hodgepodge. Now rather than annexing Serbia, which will be very hostile, AH annexes Romania out of two reasons: first, to gain something from the war. Second, and more important, the Romanians would become a large ethnicity and likely could be used by Vienna as a counterweight to the Hungarians. If they made Romania the frequently proposed third crown this would institutionalize Romania as a counterweight to the Hungarians.

Within a CP-win scenario, this isn't that bad for AH.

It's amusing, you take care of the small number of italians and the pretty limited polish, but there's no mention of the slavs. If what you say were to happen and and the 3rd crown would be Romanian there is still a elephant in the room with the slavs.

While I like the ironic solution of too many people that are way to different and hate eachother by adding another large number of people by annexing a new country I simply can't see it happen, and more importantly the CP in OTL didn't even try it when they invaded Romania.

Sure AH had some borders changed so they can have the mountain tops but that was pretty much it.

EDIT: Also your solution isn't actually a solution to the question in OP, if things go the way you say you'd get a larger empire that I guess would be called AHR, not a united Hungarian-Romanian country.
 
It's amusing, you take care of the small number of italians and the pretty limited polish, but there's no mention of the slavs. If what you say were to happen and and the 3rd crown would be Romanian there is still a elephant in the room with the slavs.

While I like the ironic solution of too many people that are way to different and hate eachother by adding another large number of people by annexing a new country I simply can't see it happen, and more importantly the CP in OTL didn't even try it when they invaded Romania.

Sure AH had some borders changed so they can have the mountain tops but that was pretty much it.

Hey the Russians wanted to give the UK an independent Hannover so odd ideas were circulating.;)
 
With a POD or PODs after January 1st 1900

Just not possible... There was a pretty complex situation between ethnic Magyars and ethnic Romanians that had developed in over 1000 years and comprised class, religious, ethnic, cultural and political differences. You just cannot butterly that away in such a short period of time. A medieval POD might work but in 1900 it's just way too late. For example, only 50 years before your POD, during the 1848 Revolution, there was a pretty high-intensity ethnic conflict in Transylvania between the two groups. Without a counterbalance (i.e. the Germans) it would not have made sense for them to live in the same state.

To Beedok, the result would be a Hungary in which ethnic Romanians would be either a plurality or even a majority. How they would achieve that is besides the point, but who in Hungary would want that?

Hungarian nationalists wanted just one thing, to keep the status quo. To keep the Crown of St. Stephen united, either in an independent state or within A-H. Any other combination would just not make any sense and would prove detrminental to ethnic Magyars.
 
Agreed, not going to happen. Hungarians and Romanians were at each others throats over Transylvania and etc for a long, long time.
 
Indeed, the only way I can see this happening is for Hungary to retain independence and strength against the Ottomans, absorb the Romanian Principalities in this early stage, then be forced to accede to a Dual-Monarchy when nationalism rolls round, which is going back to the medieval period so I've probably culled a large number of butterflies.

In any case, the border between Romania and Hungary in Transylvania will certainly be closer to the WWII border than the modern one.
 
Some Romanian botanist goes to New Caledonia and popularizes certain endemic rosids from the island back home, especially among politicians. After an amusing incident surrounding one of them, a militarist faction seizes upon the name of the plant as a rallying symbol. Said militarist faction eventually becomes the ruling party in Romania, launching a war (possibly part of *WWII) against Hungary in which the latter state is occupied.

Voila--Hungaromania. The hard part is getting it to stick around.

(Actually, my first reading of this was Hungaro-mania, but that doesn't seem much like a country name.)
 
Romanians invade Hungary when Reds fight with Whites (1918/1919) and never go back. They form the federate kingdom of Romania-Transylvania-Hungary. Whatever Czechs and Yugoslavians grabbed so far is theirs. In Trianon western Powers just accept the situation so they can establish a little entente of Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and RTH which is jockingly called "Romanohungaria" or "Hungaromania". The Balcans seem to be at least once in history in peace.
 
Heh, I once had this in a TL. (It was ASB, with one person of today ISOTed, so it doesn't have to mean anything, though.) CPs lose WW1 early, Germany, Austria and Hungary become Socialist, Transsylvania stays Hungarian though since Romania didn't enter the war; now they feel cheated, attack Hungary on their own, but are defeated with the help of Socialist German "volunteers"; as a compromise, the Socialist republic of Hungary-Romania is founded.
 
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