AHC: House of Orléans Stays on the Throne

[King of the Uzbeks]

Pretty much what it says on the tin. Come up with a way to keep Louis-Phillipe and his House if Orléans on the French throne as King of the French.


Perhaps something early in his reign when he was populer?

 

[LSCatilina]

Perhaps something early in his reign when he was populer?

He was popular?

Seriously no. The only reason he became king, is that the revolt was going to be a republican one and that the french elites in place weren't too fond of (it would have meant the end of censive election by exemple).
So they kissed Charles X good bye, and take the nearest guy proclaiming him first "lieutenant-général du royaum" (basically, a regent) then king.

 

[King of the Uzbeks]

He was popular?

Seriously no. The only reason he became king, is that the revolt was going to be a republican one and that the french elites in place weren't too fond of (it would have meant the end of censive election by exemple).
So they kissed Charles X good bye, and take the nearest guy proclaiming him first "lieutenant-général du royaum" (basically, a regent) then king.

He was chosen mainly for being a Libral with some sort of claim to the throne (though it was mainly "I'm a noble")

But from what I've read he was fairly populer with the public early in his reign.

 

[LSCatilina]

He was chosen mainly for being a Libral with some sort of claim to the throne (though it was mainly "I'm a noble")

He was the third on sucession line, yes. But it wasn't that of a Liberal : he wasn't implicated in legitimist's policies and wasn't against some political reforms. But he was an "unknown" in in the liberal circles.

But from what I've read he was fairly populer with the public early in his reign.

If it's compared to the previous reign, Charles X being particularly despised, then yes.

However, he was contested by both right-wing (that was still favouring Legitimists) and left-wing (that clearly saw that as the "theft of Republic")
There was several revolts and insurrection during his reign and the true wonder is that he lasted up to 1848.

 

[King of the Uzbeks]

Okay let me rephrase the statement:

Maybe Sometime early in his reign when he was more populer than at the end of it

 

[LSCatilina]

Maybe Sometime early in his reign when he was more populer than at the end of it

No, actually the part of his reign that is clearly less troubled is the period between 1835 and 1839.

 

[Emperor Constantine]

The best bet to keep the House of Orleans would be to have Louis Philippe's eldest son, Ferdinand Philippe Duc d'Orleans, not die in a carriage accident or have the National assembly accept his grandson, Philippe Comte de Paris. In all honesty Ferdinand Philippe would be your best bet. He was highly popular and a decorated war hero. He could be enough to revive the King's popularity or failing that, be someone the people will hope for, while tolerating Louis Philippe.

 

[King of the Uzbeks]

The best bet to keep the House of Orleans would be to have Louis Philippe's eldest son, Ferdinand Philippe Duc d'Orleans, not die in a carriage accident or have the National assembly accept his grandson, Philippe Comte de Paris. In all honesty Ferdinand Philippe would be your best bet. He was highly popular and a decorated war hero. He could be enough to revive the King's popularity or failing that, be someone the people will hope for, while tolerating Louis Philippe.

Maybe that and having one of his sons or daughters marry a Bourbon? It might increase his popularity with the Bourbon supporters. On the flip side it would most likely decrease his stock with the common man.

 

[Simreeve]

Maybe that and having one of his sons or daughters marry a Bourbon? It might increase his popularity with the Bourbon supporters. On the flip side it would most likely decrease his stock with the common man.

He was a Bourbon, just from a different branch of that family to the previous few kings.

 

[eliphas8]

He was a Bourbon, just from a differrent branch of that family to the previous few kings.

That does not matter to the legitimists. If they where okay with that they wouldn't have a problem with Louis Phillipe.

 

[Sevarics]

That does not matter to the legitimists. If they where okay with that they wouldn't have a problem with Louis Phillipe.

I think the legitimists only wanted to go in the proper line of succession.

 

[King of the Uzbeks]

He was a Bourbon, just from a different branch of that family to the previous few kings.

He was a Bourbon but he was from a cadet branch meaning that the main branch wasn't the most gung ho about him

 

[Just a Rube]

He was a Bourbon but he was from a cadet branch meaning that the main branch wasn't the most gung ho about him

He was also fairly liberal, at least by comparison to the main branch.

His father had not only been an active supporter of the French Revolution, but had voted in favor of guillotining Louis XVI, and had changed his surname from Bourbon to Egalite. So the main branch had a serious grudge.

 

[eliphas8]

He was also fairly liberal, at least by comparison to the main branch.

His father had not only been an active supporter of the French Revolution, but had voted in favor of guillotining Louis XVI, and had changed his surname from Bourbon to Egalite. So the main branch had a serious grudge.

Irrelevant to my point beyond proof it would make the legitimists even more vitriolic and hateful of the new regime.

 

[Simreeve]

He was a Bourbon but he was from a cadet branch meaning that the main branch wasn't the most gung ho about him

I already knew that, but thought that the wording of the post to which I was replying there could be read (by people less familiar wth the details) as implying that he didn't belong to the overall dynasty at all and so decided to clarify the matter.

 

[King of the Uzbeks]

I already knew that, but thought that the wording of the post to which I was replying there could be read (by people less familiar wth the details) as implying that he didn't belong to the overall dynasty at all and so decided to clarify the matter.

Ohhhhh sorry about that but the point still stands that the main branch of the Bourbons were not his biggest fans.

 

[Emperor Constantine]

The main branch HATED the House of Orleans after the July Revolution, so they would NEVER consent to a marriage and none of the other cadet Branches in Spain, the Two Sicilies and Parma seemed to want to marry into the Orleans. Originally Louis Philippe's son Ferdinand was unofficially engaged to Louise d'Artois, the sister of the Comte de Chambord who was the Legitimist heir. However the engagement fell threw after the July Revolution.

 

[King of the Uzbeks]

The main branch HATED the House of Orleans after the July Revolution, so they would NEVER consent to a marriage and none of the other cadet Branches in Spain, the Two Sicilies and Parma seemed to want to marry into the Orleans. Originally Louis Philippe's son Ferdinand was unofficially engaged to Louise d'Artois, the sister of the Comte de Chambord who was the Legitimist heir. However the engagement fell threw after the July Revolution.

Which is understandable, it's like your younger brother stealing your candy. Maybe a POD during the July Revolution itself?

 

[LSCatilina]

Which is understandable, it's like your younger brother stealing your candy. Maybe a POD during the July Revolution itself?

Which one? I would first thnk that a POD during th July Revolution could have more likely butterflied Louis-Philippe being King of the French in first place but, it's quite vague.

Maybe a better POD would be no Henri, duke of Bordeaux (let's assume his mother is killed with his father). Have then Louis de France getting the hell out of the way (Kill him, make him abdicate, abducted by aliens, whatever) before the July Revolution and Louis-Philippe became the natural sucessor of the throne.

Of course, he wouldn't be as much tolerated than OTL, for being totally associated with Legitimist policy whatever he wants it or not, but if he manages to stand up to 1848 revolutions, he would have lasted longer and maybe, as Emperor Constantine said, it would give more chance to have his son succeeding him. (By exemple, a revolt force the father to abdicate, and put his son on the throne)

 

[funnyhat]

Which is understandable, it's like your younger brother stealing your candy. Maybe a POD during the July Revolution itself?

This might not be exactly what you're looking for but would it be possible to have Henri, Comte de Chambord take the throne in 1830 (at the age of 10) with Louis-Philippe as regent?