AHC: Holland-Denmark

With a POD after 1788, make a royal marriage between the Netherlands and Denmark. If there is another option to make Holland and Denmark united, I am willing to hear it.:D
 
With a POD after 1788, make a royal marriage between the Netherlands and Denmark. If there is another option to make Holland and Denmark united, I am willing to hear it.:D
A personal union after 1788 is hard. Well, it is hard the moment the kingdom of the Netherlands is made, as personal unions are specifically outlawed in the Dutch constitution (except the one with Luxemburg).

So for a personal union you probably need to avoid the French revolution, or at least the Dutch occupation by France, so you can continue the Republic. A random marriage between someone from the Dutch Royal/Stadholderial family is certainly possible and I think it actualy happened at some point.
 
I formed a personal (and later political) union between the Netherlands and Denmark-Norway before, but that was more than a century earlier than 1788.
 
A personal union after 1788 is hard. Well, it is hard the moment the kingdom of the Netherlands is made, as personal unions are specifically outlawed in the Dutch constitution (except the one with Luxemburg).

So for a personal union you probably need to avoid the French revolution, or at least the Dutch occupation by France, so you can continue the Republic. A random marriage between someone from the Dutch Royal/Stadholderial family is certainly possible and I think it actualy happened at some point.
since when was the Netherlands occupied by France?
 
annexed de jure or de facto?
In 1810 Napoleon annexed the Netherlands to France. From 1810 to 1813 there was no Netherlands.

Besides that from 1795 to 1810 the Netherlands was basicly occupied by France, although officialy it was an independent country. But everytime they wanted to do somehing that would go against French general interest the French intervened, like Napoleon making his brother king of the Netherlands in 1806 or simply annexing the entire country in 1810.
 
In 1810 Napoleon annexed the Netherlands to France. From 1810 to 1813 there was no Netherlands.

Besides that from 1795 to 1810 the Netherlands was basicly occupied by France, although officialy it was an independent country. But everytime they wanted to do somehing that would go against French general interest the French intervened, like Napoleon making his brother king of the Netherlands in 1806 or simply annexing the entire country in 1810.

what about 1788? would they still quite be independent or only precariously so?
 
what about 1788? would they still quite be independent or only precariously so?
In 1788 the Dutch republic was independent, sort of. A case could be made that in 1788 the Netherlands was more or less a Prussian vasal state. Although that would not be entirely correct. Dutch politics at the time was incredibly unstable and the year before Prussian troops had restored the stadholder in the Netherlands.
 
I had a roommate in college who apparently comes from this TL. Dude seriously thought that the "Dutch" meant the same thing as "Danish." One time he literally said to me, "you know, like the Pennsylvania Dutch, they're descended from the Vikings who landed on North America before Columbus."

In retrospect maybe I should've introduced him to this forum, he might have written an awesome TL.

I guess to me one of the main questions about a Dansk Nederlands is what about that piece of what's now Germany in between Friesland and Schleswig-Holstein? Would that be conquered by the triumphant union at some point, or would it force Denmark and the Netherlands to be incontiguous?
 
A personal union after 1788 is hard. Well, it is hard the moment the kingdom of the Netherlands is made, as personal unions are specifically outlawed in the Dutch constitution (except the one with Luxemburg).

So for a personal union you probably need to avoid the French revolution, or at least the Dutch occupation by France, so you can continue the Republic. A random marriage between someone from the Dutch Royal/Stadholderial family is certainly possible and I think it actualy happened at some point.

The Bernadottes liked the house of Nassau (both Carl XV and Oscar I's wives were respectively Louise of the Netherlands and Sophie of Nassau). Carl XV's daughter, Lovisa, married Frederik VIII of Denmark. So, while far-fetched, it's possible for a Danish-Swedish-Dutch union that way.

Another option is Willem III of the Netherlands tried to marry Princess Thyra of Denmark OTL Queen of Hannover. She refused (for some reason I can't recall) and married the duke of Cumberland instead (though he married her with the hope that she could influence her sister, the princess of Wales, to persuade Queen Victoria to give him the money she held for him in trust back, or some such).

Of course, Frederik VI had no sons, only two daughters - Caroline and Vilhelmina. Marry Arveprinsesse Caroline to Willem II of the Netherlands (then only a prince of Nassau) and one can get around the "no-personal union" clause since they can marry before the Dutch constitution (he only married in 1816 and she married in 1829 (at nearly forty)) is promulgated banning personal unions.

It's just an idea.
 
Of course, Frederik VI had no sons, only two daughters - Caroline and Vilhelmina. Marry Arveprinsesse Caroline to Willem II of the Netherlands (then only a prince of Nassau) and one can get around the "no-personal union" clause since they can marry before the Dutch constitution (he only married in 1816 and she married in 1829 (at nearly forty)) is promulgated banning personal unions.

It's just an idea.

At this point in time Denmark was strictly Agnatic Primogeniture ... it was first when the Royal family became little more than a galleon figure that Male-preference Cognatic Primogeniture was ruled the way to be (and more recently Absolute Cognatic)
 
As I said, only an idea. Although, Frederik VI and Denmark viewed Caroline as the Arveprinssese, so, maybe, he pushes the Riksdag to accept Caroline as future Queen Regnant.
 
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