AHC: Heavy Nazi Involvement in the Pacific War

If the Germans side with the Japanese in this Pacific War, they will have little ability to get significant numbers of troops to the Pacific. Facing two massive navies, and the USSR getting in the way, does that to people.

The more interesting question is what happens if Germany allies with China. This will require changes in the 1930s, but the influence of a major European power in Asia working, if not alongside the British, but against the Japanese, could have some interesting diplomatic changes if nothing else. Historically, the British did all they could against the Japanese (which wasn't an awful lot-Singapore was incomplete), but the looming US presence prevented them from appeasing the Japanese too much. What happens to the US China Lobby if the Nazis keep supporting Chiang throughout the 30s? And so on. It could even compel the British to stand up to the aggressor powers more vigorously in Europe, believing them to be tied down in Asia (especially with Japan now facing a stronger China.)

If the Germans continue to provide support to China: on the upside, it means that Chiang has a few more German-trained divisions with which to enforce his will on China and fight the Japanese. He may also have a smattering of actual German soldiers. On the downside, all aid given to him by the Germans is more or less completely cut off when Europe goes to war, and he may be dragged into unwise actions by his German "advisors". Actions such as going to war with the British Empire.
 
If the Germans side with the Japanese in this Pacific War, they will have little ability to get significant numbers of troops to the Pacific. Facing two massive navies, and the USSR getting in the way, does that to people.
Which is why it would have to be done by Submarine, and even then it could only be done with Small Arms and basic equipment, the majority of the force would have to be levied there with support from Japan, and in some cases likely dependence on captured British equipment.

There are no real good options. If you going with China though you are throwing the whole TL into whack since that likely means Ribbentrop (a major reason why China was dropped) is not made the Main Ambassador, so to speak.
 

iddt3

Donor
How about Goering dying (pick a reason) early, with no resulting Luftwaffe as a separate organization, and with those resources going instead to the Heer and the Kriegsmarine. This would have made little change to the effectiveness of the Heer, but might have allowed the Kriegsmarine the opportunity to actually develop an Aircraft Carrier, and more support Vessels to create an Ocean Going Navy.

The War continues, but without Dunkirk (No Luftwaffe) as a success, but instead as a disaster. Churchill, after not agreeing to a separate French Peace, somehow has an Accident, and does not make it back to the U.K. alive.

The U.K., after witnessing France agreeing to a Peace treaty, and being offered "fair" terms, also agrees and the War in Europe is over.

Hitler mean wile develops some type of relationship which results in a child, and so rather than continuing to pursue war, decides to pursue the building up of the Reich, into a type of Empire. The U.S.S.R. can wait, he is building a Dynasty.

War reparations from France involve the transfer of several Resource rich colonies to the Germany. This includes French Indochina. War reparations from the Netherlands include the Dutch Far East.



The U.K., settles down to simply watching the world go by, and focuses on keeping its Empire running.

Germany deals with its "living space" problem by using forced transportation, following the U.K.'s model for Criminals, but without trials, for Political Prisoners, Homosexuals, Jews, Romani, All the French speakers from Alsac-Lorraine, etc. to the new greater Reich colonies.

These colonies are under the administration of the Reichskolonialbund, with a significant Kriegsmarine Military port being placed somewhere in the Dutch East Indies.

The transported peoples form a second class group of workers, whom support the German population and are used to help exploit the local population.

Hitler is happy with his now productive empire, which has plenty of oil, flowing by tankers, up and through a nice neutral Suez Canal.

So, whom is going to attack those new Far Eastern possessions? And when?
The Luftwaffe was major component in the success of the early German attacks, no or minimal investment in the air force (which I don't think Germany could or would do anyway) means no air cover, no reconnaissance, non of the tactical disruption that so aided the Blitzkrieg in Poland and France. Many of Germany's problems were logistical, and irresolvable w/o massive changes to German industry and the Nazi party. The Air Force lets them Project power along a different axis where more ground forces would only clog the roads and their already over-strained logistical systems. You can't just remove a fundamental component of the Blitzkrieg and expect it to carry on as before.
 
A totally different approach: In december 41 Hitler sees a chance to cause frictions between the USA and Britain and declares war on Japan for its cowardly attack on the "Aryan brothers" in America. Britain now fears that the US won´t declare war on Germany any time soon and starts peace talks. Due to the German commitment in the East and Hitlers Anglophilia they get a favourable peace treaty, which includes German support for the recapture of the far eastern possessions. Thus late in 42 some German infantry and air force units start to arrive in East Asia together with British European troops. Challenge solved.:D
 

Sir

Banned
A totally different approach: In december 41 Hitler sees a chance to cause frictions between the USA and Britain and declares war on Japan for its cowardly attack on the "Aryan brothers" in America. Britain now fears that the US won´t declare war on Germany any time soon and starts peace talks. Due to the German commitment in the East and Hitlers Anglophilia they get a favourable peace treaty, which includes German support for the recapture of the far eastern possessions. Thus late in 42 some German infantry and air force units start to arrive in East Asia together with British European troops. Challenge solved.:D

Umm, even if Nazi Germany and America don't immediately go to war, things get easier for Britain. They wouldn't join forces with the Nazis, that's insane.
 
So if Germany declares war on Japan when they attack Pearl Harbor, does that mean the Germans might end up helping America defend their other colonies as well? Although keep in mind that Hitler by now may have some negative views on the USA in general.
 
So if Germany declares war on Japan when they attack Pearl Harbor, does that mean the Germans might end up helping America defend their other colonies as well? Although keep in mind that Hitler by now may have some negative views on the USA in general.

Well that would be interesting, but if Germany is on the side of China, then Japan would have to attack China with going to war with Germany in mind. So they would probably attempt to take care of China before attacking America and the British.
 

Goldwater64

Banned
Although keep in mind that Hitler by now may have some negative views on the USA in general.

If I recall correctly, the Nazis thought we were "mongrelized" cowboys, which is why a bunch of our boys stormed Normandy in mohawks :D

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