Some sort of failed D-Day, perhaps?
The real interesting thing is what happens to the French colonial empire if mainland France goes communist.
I'm not sure you realize how ASB this is.
The Red Army was probably the most ass-backwards, slipshod, and incompetent military of all the major players of WW2 prior to 1942. Division for division, they're probably even below the Italians in capability.
The only way that they won was with absolutely ludicrous numbers of bodies so that they could just soak up vast numbers of casualties, and give Germany another 200,000 able bodied men OTL, and the Soviets would have started running into manpower problems. And that's WITH lend lease.
You need Poland, Germany, Romania, Hungary, Finnland, Yugoslavia, and basically everywhere between them and France to each slow them down as much as a speed bump.
Germany falls, and you've got the Allies pouring into France immediately after, and they will immediately halt the Soviets dead in their tracks.
It may be a little too harsh to call this ASB & I think FBKampfer the Soviet Army was a little more on
the ball than you say BUT you have a very good point when you draw attention to all the territory the
Red Army would have to travel to get to France(the German part would be especially troublesome).
Furthermore, as MketheLeftie98 & Indicus above point out, D Day would have had to have failed- &
making THAT happen in this ATL is a whole 'another post by itself(& I'm sure has already been covered
MANY times on this board).
I agree that the Red Army's competence in WW2 was substantially lower than it is given credit for. Even late in the war with things like the Kurland Kessel, they were tactically inferior in many instances to truly rear echelon German units, at least when you get outside of their Mechanized Guards Armies, which were pretty good.I'm not sure you realize how ASB this is.
The Red Army was probably the most ass-backwards, slipshod, and incompetent military of all the major players of WW2 prior to 1942. Division for division, they're probably even below the Italians in capability.
The only way that they won was with absolutely ludicrous numbers of bodies so that they could just soak up vast numbers of casualties, and give Germany another 200,000 able bodied men OTL, and the Soviets would have started running into manpower problems. And that's WITH lend lease.
You need Poland, Germany, Romania, Hungary, Finnland, Yugoslavia, and basically everywhere between them and France to each slow them down as much as a speed bump.
Germany falls, and you've got the Allies pouring into France immediately after, and they will immediately halt the Soviets dead in their tracks.
Would Francoist Spain have become more fascist in their policies, as a result of a Soviet-aligned France being right across the Pyrenees?
The west might be less democratic too, though. Since France, West Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and Denmark are all behind the Iron Curtain.Not necessarily, I think. What you would see them do is seeking closer ties with the West
The Red Army was probably the most ass-backwards, slipshod, and incompetent military of all the major players of WW2 prior to 1942. Division for division, they're probably even below the Italians in capability.
The west might be less democratic too, though. Since France, West Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and Denmark are all behind the Iron Curtain.
Yeah I know you didn't say that. I mean that the West may be even more willing to tolerate totalitarianism in Spain than OTL. The Western powers themselves may be less liberal and more militaristically anticommunist.I never said anything about Spain going democratic. If anything the western powers would be more than willing to overlook that in exchange for a foothold in Europe
Your POD most be after 1910