AHC have the mongols conquer even more!

Your mission is simple, have the mongols conquer as much as possible before imploding, an easy POD is to have them simply defeat the Egyptian Muslims, but be creative :p
 
Two big areas that are not tropical nor ASB are:
Full-on invasion of Europe happens.
Full-on invasion of India (Delhi Sultanate) succeeds.

But the easiest way is probably to change the definition of what a Mongol is.
 
Mongols have a decisive victory at Ain Jalut, Egypt fully conquered, Mongols go unopposed till Morocco, make lightwork of the whatever is left of the Almohads (who in OTL only had 9 more years following Ain Jalut).
Spain would be more difficult, due it's high amount of Castles and citadels, but I assume the remaining Taifas in Al-Andalus would submit to the Mongols (were the il - Khanate Muslim by now?) As as a new (Islamic?) Defender in the late 13th century.
From that point on its anyone's guess. Maybe Mongols get involved in the Transaharan trade and have some influence on Timbuktu.
From Egypt I don't see them taking the Ethiopian Highlands but controlling the Red Sea is possible.
I don't see them taking any land further than Iberia in Europe, at least from the Maghrebi route. It might be possible through the Russian route, but I'm not that knowledgeable on that subject.
 
Interesting thoughts... now i ask, if the Mongols take over, lets say, most of Eurasia save Scandinavia, England, Western France, India and Indochina, and Indonesia, and the entire northern coast of Africa, but spare Arabia, what happens after they pull out/fall? Or are the butterflies too extreme at this point to tell.
 
Interesting thoughts... now i ask, if the Mongols take over, lets say, most of Eurasia save Scandinavia, England, Western France, India and Indochina, and Indonesia, and the entire northern coast of Africa, but spare Arabia, what happens after they pull out/fall? Or are the butterflies too extreme at this point to tell.

Arabia really doesn't lend well to the type of warfare the Mongols are used to, and even within Arabia the outter coasts of both Yemen and Oman have their own sets of difficult terrain, but it wouldn't be implausible for them to still launch a victory. Also why would they be spared, are the Mongols in the Levant Muslim, therefore showing reverence to the Holy Land?

Also under your circumstances, Iberia, Italy, the Balkans and Byzantines would be under the Mongols, which I think would be very hard to believe WITHOUT North Africa (the Mongols weren't particular known for their naval ability).

In a scenario such as this, it's hard to imagine a real Mongols "pull out", I believe it's more likely that they'd simply acclimatise to their surroundings and become a part of their conquered culture, as what happened in Persia, China, Central Asia, etc. I could see the central and east European Mongols Khans becoming Christian, speaking latin/germanic languages, and other European customs.
 
Interesting thoughts... now i ask, if the Mongols take over, lets say, most of Eurasia save Scandinavia, England, Western France, India and Indochina, and Indonesia, and the entire northern coast of Africa, but spare Arabia, what happens after they pull out/fall? Or are the butterflies too extreme at this point to tell.

If anything lasts Europe's gonna look weird.
 
Uh, surely you made a mistake?

The Yuan dynasty was proclaimed in traditional Chinese style in 1271, is considered an imperial Chinese dynasty and adopted Chinese aspects of government, parts of Confucianist culture and ideas were accepted and the empire still used Chinese as the official language/script.
Whilst the Yuan weren't as successfully integrated as the Mongols in Persia or Central Asia, they can still be seen as an example of how Mongols fitted to the culture of the places they conquered.
 
In pure honesty i left Arabia out of the equation because i feared the mongols owning pretty much all of the known world was a bit ASB as is
 
This is a very crudely made map of what i mean, anyway this could happen logically by, say, 1360?

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This is a very crudely made map of what i mean, anyway this could happen logically by, say, 1360?

With a few changed battles in OTL it's not that difficult for that to be a reality. However areas such as Constantinople, the Balkans and Iberia could all prove very difficult for the Mongols. Constantinople was still one of the most impenetrable cities in the world at this time, the Balkans are extremely mountainous and don't lend well to steppe warfare and Iberia has an extremely excessive amount of Castles and fortresses.
 
With a few changed battles in OTL it's not that difficult for that to be a reality. However areas such as Constantinople, the Balkans and Iberia could all prove very difficult for the Mongols. Constantinople was still one of the most impenetrable cities in the world at this time, the Balkans are extremely mountainous and don't lend well to steppe warfare and Iberia has an extremely excessive amount of Castles and fortresses.

The Mongols conquered mountainous areas, areas with heavy fortifications, and mountainous areas with heavy fortifications. The Mongol armies aren't just Mongols nor just steppe warriors.
 
Because the Mongols had limits, too. To be honest, I'm not sure if it's plausible for them to legit control all of the known world, but...

If they have all of the known world then they should also have France. How would it be possible for them to not be able to conquer just a tiny bit more land when they already have the rest of the world?
 
I exempted that section because i figured they were blobby enough as is, in reality if they went this far, a tiny bit of France would be child's play for them
 
Why the tiny France not under mongols?

Because I'm pretty sure that's the location of the little village in Gaul that resisted the Romans and now a French village that resists the Mongols thanks to druid Getafix's magic potion :D

EDIT: Oh look, someone else already posted it! Curses! :p
 
Realistically, I think the Mongols could probably establish a foothold in Hungary, it becoming a separate khanate or part of the Golden Horde. From there, the Mongols can menace and harass just about everyone in continental Europe minus the Iberian peninsula and the Nordic states.
 
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