AHC: Have Poland be pushed even further west after the end of World War II

CaliGuy

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AHC: Have Poland be pushed even further west after the end of WWII.

Indeed, this should be a fun AHC considering that, realistically speaking, Stalin already pushed Poland's westward borders to their limit after the end of WWII in our TL.
 
Any further and you all but have Berlin on the Polish border... or within it. I can't see the WAllies going for that.
 
Would they actually fight Stalin over that, though?
Would Stalin want to do that? He had a pragmatist side, and the Soviets were exhausted from the war - hell, there's an interesting argument hinted at in Moorhouse's The Devil's Alliance that the Soviet Union never truly recovered from the war. What's in it for him to take more of Poland especially with him completely occupying it? If there was something more he wanted, he would have taken it OTL.
 
The Lusatian region of East Germany could have been added to Poland for 'ethnic' reasons, as the Sorbs are a Slavic-speaking minority. Though it probably would have made more sense to make them part of Czechoslovakia.
 

CaliGuy

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Would Stalin want to do that? He had a pragmatist side, and the Soviets were exhausted from the war - hell, there's an interesting argument hinted at in Moorhouse's The Devil's Alliance that the Soviet Union never truly recovered from the war. What's in it for him to take more of Poland especially with him completely occupying it? If there was something more he wanted, he would have taken it OTL.
Oh, I completely agree with you that there was absolutely no point to Stalin doing this; after all, in addition to occupying all of Poland, he also occupied east Germany up to the Elbe!
 

CaliGuy

Banned
The Lusatian region of East Germany could have been added to Poland for 'ethnic' reasons, as the Sorbs are a Slavic-speaking minority.

So a Polish eastern Saxony with Berlin and western Pomerania remaining in German hands?

Though it probably would have made more sense to make them part of Czechoslovakia.

For logistical reasons?
 

King Thomas

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The East Germans are told that they are now Polish, and they can either go west and leave their stuff to the Poles, or learn Polish, everything German being banned by the USSR and the Poles.
 
The East Germans are told that they are now Polish, and they can either go west and leave their stuff to the Poles, or learn Polish, everything German being banned by the USSR and the Poles.
That's pretty much what the Poles did to the Germans OTL in the lands Stalin gave them. Half of OTL present-day Poland shouldn't even be Polish.
 
Maybe have a union between Poland and Czechoslovakia in the name of internationalism.

The governments-in-exile were apparently in favor of this. Unfortunately, their opinion stopped mattering on June 22, 1941.

The Communists, for their part, wanted an ethnically homogeneous Poland--a multiethnic Poland might get it in their heads that there's plenty of room for Ukraine in the Commonwealth. So getting Stalin to support a Czechoslopoland is difficult.
 
So a Polish eastern Saxony with Berlin and western Pomerania remaining in German hands?

Roughly. I think parts of what is considered Lusatia lies in Silesia.

For logistical reasons?

Partly, but also because it might fit into the multinational nature of the inter-war concept of Czechoslovakia. As Slovakia had a Hungarian minority, the Sorbs could be the Czech counterpart here.

The East Germans are told that they are now Polish, and they can either go west and leave their stuff to the Poles, or learn Polish, everything German being banned by the USSR and the Poles.

Since historical reasonings like that were quite en vogue at that time, the Soviets would probably argue that many areas of present-day East / central Germany were once settled by Slavs:

Slavic_tribes_in_the_7th_to_9th_century.jpg
 

CaliGuy

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Partly, but also because it might fit into the multinational nature of the inter-war concept of Czechoslovakia. As Slovakia had a Hungarian minority, the Sorbs could be the Czech counterpart here.
Wasn't the original plan to expel the Hungarian Slovaks, though?
 
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