So, the challenge is to have France and the UK (Ur?) be equal sister republics. So both of these nations have revolutions around the same time and form a sort of revolutionary pact. the pod can start from 1700 AD, good luck!
AHC: Have France and the Uk be sister-republics
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Problem is Britain already had their own version of the French Revolution 200 years prior
Otto Kretschmer
Banned
Hmm...
Perhaps make France somehow become the predominant naval power and invade UK, installing a pro-French monarchy. Then this monarchy gets unpopular and a revolution happens at roughly the same time as trouble is starting in France for whatever reason. It would not be OTL French Revolution of course
Perhaps make France somehow become the predominant naval power and invade UK, installing a pro-French monarchy. Then this monarchy gets unpopular and a revolution happens at roughly the same time as trouble is starting in France for whatever reason. It would not be OTL French Revolution of course
Why should the twocountries be "sisters" just because they are both republics?
They certainly weren't when they were both monarchies. Wouldn't the naval/colonial rivalry be the same whatever their form of government?
They certainly weren't when they were both monarchies. Wouldn't the naval/colonial rivalry be the same whatever their form of government?
The authorities badly mishandles the naval muntinies and radicalize sailors. 1798 in Ireland works better. France avoids the terror and does not execute Louis and Marie Antioinette
Well, that's a major part of the challenge isn't it, a solution could be to have very ideological focused goverments
twovultures
Donor
I think it would be neat (though outside OP's parameters) to have the Fronde turn into a full-blown anti-monarchist revolution, at about the same time of the English Civil Wars. Though given the massive anti-Catholicism of Parliament, any resulting republics would probably be enemies rather than sisters.
Indeed. Nationalism won out over ideology in communist countries like the Soviet Union, China, Vietnam and Cambodia, so no reason why the two should become best friends just because they were republics. Besides, if you want revolution at the same time, the POD would have to bea earlier, although English civil war happened at a time when the French monarchy was at its strongest, so the POD would have to be even earlier.
Incidentally, after GB *did* become a republic in 1649, the first thing she did was to go to war with the Dutch Republic.
Other than a shared ideology, they might have common enemies. If they have revolutions leading to republic at the same time, Austria, Prussia, Russia and the lesser monarchies will be doubly angry. So Britain and France might stick together.
Besides, the OP doesn't say they should REMAIN sister republics for a long time. They might go their separate ways after the major danger wanes.
Although a (long-term) cold war opposing the two sister republics to a reactionary monarchic bloc would definitely be interesting as well.
It would need an earlier POD, in the 1600s. But, you can have Britain become republic in the 1650s-1700s, and then decades later export republicanism to France by supporting the anti-Crown faction in the ATL French Civil War. Note that ITTL, with the British Constitutional Monarchy, almost every democrat/liberal/reformer in France and their mother would be a republican - so it would be a Civil War. Let's say the French Monarchy was defeated and expelled from France, then Britain and France would have had to stick together to fight back the Austro-Prussian coalition supporting the Bourbon.