AHC: Have an Slavic country formed in western europe

Would a surviving Carantania qualify?


Karantyany (West Caranthians or Alpine Slaweni)


This map's PoD could do.
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DAMN! the Caranthians are getting a lot of attention.
 
In a recent horizon of a few centuries ?

A little Sorbian republic (or, more unusually, constitutional monarchy) in the Lausitz, given full independence and membership in international institutions. The resulting country would be, size-wise, somewhere in between contemporary OTL Liechtenstein and Luxembourg.

Obviously, even such a small ATL country/state would create some butterflies.
 
I'm sorta ignorant on this topic, but couldn't the Slavic migration be somehow shifted further westward than south into the Balkans? The Germanics did it previously, yes? Or were the Germanics simply too entrenched by the time the Slavs really got a move on?
 
I'm sorta ignorant on this topic, but couldn't the Slavic migration be somehow shifted further westward than south into the Balkans? The Germanics did it previously, yes? Or were the Germanics simply too entrenched by the time the Slavs really got a move on?

It is possible if you go back far enough.
 
Honestly the Slavic expansion west tended to settle in heathland. These areas was perfect for them, as they was thinly populated, the sandy soil was perfect for their wooden ard (plough), which deal badly with soil with a lot of clay or roots.

Here’s a map over traditional heathland in Western Europe

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I think the easiest POD would be a Frankish king defeating the pagan Danish Kong’s and settling Wends on the Jutish peninsula ( they did something similar in Wagria). This could result in the Jutish peninsula being split in a Saxon March in Schleswig and a Christian Wendish principality in the rest of Jutland likely with some Scandinavian minorities along the Jutish east coast (centered around Aarhus and the “nose” of Jutland). While this principality wouldn’t be major player and likely be part of the German kingdom, it could pretty much turn into a northern version of Slovenia.
 
I've been summoned, I see. ;)

This wasn't beyond the realm of possibility; some of the taifas were ruled by Saqaliba, Denia being a key example. But it wouldn't be a majority Slavic country, or even Slavic-speaking. The Saqaliba generally adopted Arabic names and language, and they would be more a ruling caste than a majority, most of the people being Muladies and Arabo-Berbers.

A Slavic Pomerania is also not beyond the realm of possibility. I suppose they could convert rather than being overrun.

But is it possible for any slavic taifa to change its customs from arabic to slavic again?? for me it seems to be on a low possibility scenario, it could be risky but if done properly we could see a cultural conversion from up to down into lower stratus of society, it had happened before in other places (i mean the up to down cultural conversions not an slavic taifa going back to slavic)... But what would be the reason for any ruler to apply that decision?
 
(5) Margaret of Denmark is married to a Russian prince instead of a Scottish one, with the result that her dowry of the Orkney Islands goes to Moscow. In order to hold on to their distant possession the Russians encourage merchants to develop it as a trade centre and if that doesn't generate interest forcibly ship penal colonists there. As Anglo-Russian rivalry heats up, the Russians develop Scapa Flow further as a major naval base with serious fortifications built and even more labourers shipped in. They Russify the islands sufficiently that even if they do get taken over by Britain during a period of hostilities the population remains ethnically and linguistically Russian and probably re-emerges as an independent country as the empire winds down.
 
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In a recent horizon of a few centuries ?

A little Sorbian republic (or, more unusually, constitutional monarchy) in the Lausitz, given full independence and membership in international institutions. The resulting country would be, size-wise, somewhere in between contemporary OTL Liechtenstein and Luxembourg.

Obviously, even such a small ATL country/state would create some butterflies.
Until 1933 there Had been even an independence movement in that region.
 
As the title says, have a country which is majority speaking slavic (No matter if it is an existing language or a "parallel" one), in:

1)Basic goal: Inside any place of OTL germany outside alps and the rhine

2)Acceptable goal: Inside the rhine or the alps in germany, switzerland, austria and northern italy

3)Decent goal: anywhere OTL France, northern spain (Catalonia, Aragón, lets just exclude euskadi)

4)Hard goal: anywhere on the iberian peninsula

5)Impossible goal: On the british isles

To achieve said goal any point of divergence is permitted but the challenge has an extra if the modern day result is the most similar to otl...
A large slavic age of migration further west into the new Germania Christian kingdoms in the very early Middle Ages could be interesting. A counterpart of the Balkan migrations. Maybe If they are driven out by a more powerful nomad horse culture. Awars, Cumans and Magyars failed in the long term.
 
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Reverse Austro- Hungarian empire! Austria is taken over by Hungary and ruled from Budapest! Of course, for this to fit the prompt, Hungary would have to be Slavic, but that isn’t too hard.
 
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