AHC: Have an Independent Indonesia A Full-fledge Combatant in World War 2

Yes, the goal is to make an Indonesia that is not a Dutch or British colony fighting in World War 2 for either side. Any side will do, because I'm focusing on how this Indonesia was formed in the first place.

Indonesia must be united with all or most of its OTL territory, muslim majority with still Christians and other religions, and in form of federation. Indepndent from any colonial powers is up to you, but it's better.
I place this in Before 1900 because I think the needed POD must be from pre-20th century.

Thanks!
 
Majapahit accepted islam and did not falls and they somehow get most of Indonesia use a common languege . Then when the spaniard start appearing, they let the christian priest do they work. Then when the spaniard and other come with guns this time, they can either kick their ass or still fall. But this time a universal revolution will be quicker due 2 common languege. Der done? A bit implausible but k
 
Majapahit accepted islam and did not falls and they somehow get most of Indonesia use a common languege . Then when the spaniard start appearing, they let the christian priest do they work. Then when the spaniard and other come with guns this time, they can either kick their ass or still fall. But this time a universal revolution will be quicker due 2 common languege. Der done? A bit implausible but k

What about the butterflies?
 
A surviving majapahit will not effect the age of discovery until it is discovered by the europeans.

A surviving Majapahit isnt Indonesia nor is the same concept as OTL Indonesia. Majapahit just covers land area what is OTL Indonesia.

Nor will Majapahit convert to Islam. Majapahit retaining status quo means they must retain status quo which includes Hinduism.

By the way this will affect butterflies. Majapahit covers places where of vital interests to the west including Malacca, Singapore, Spice Islands.
 
Yes, the goal is to make an Indonesia that is not a Dutch or British colony
With the Dutch and British absent, we might see Portuguese East Timor become the dominant power house of the region.

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Germany invades the Netherlands in WW I

Yes, the goal is to make an Indonesia that is not a Dutch or British colony fighting in World War 2 for either side. Any side will do, because I'm focusing on how this Indonesia was formed in the first place.

Indonesia must be united with all or most of its OTL territory, muslim majority with still Christians and other religions, and in form of federation. Indepndent from any colonial powers is up to you, but it's better.
I place this in Before 1900 because I think the needed POD must be from pre-20th century.

Thanks!

Germany invades the Netherlands in WW I; the NEI remains with the Allies, and when the equivalent of Armistice Day rolls around in 1918 or 1919, there is a NEI expeditionary corps in the Allied order of battle on hand for the liberation.

In return, the NEI federates and is granted something like dominion/commonwealth status under the Dutch monarchy as head of state; Indonesian natives form the government - there's significant Dutch involvement and control of policy, but the DoI is more independent than any other state in Southeast Asia but Thailand.

In 1939-41, history advances more or less as it did - the Germans occupy the Netherlands a second time, the DoI mobilizes again, but finds itself vulnerable to the Japanese threat and sends a much smaller force westwards; in 1941, the Japanese attack...

Best,
 
Could a Japanese-installed puppet state work, like Manchukuo? Japanese collaborate with Indonesian independence movement leaders?
 
Could a Japanese-installed puppet state work, like Manchukuo? Japanese collaborate with Indonesian independence movement leaders?

OP required independent. The Japanese at no point ever gave its puppets any genuine indpendence. In fact, IOTL, it didn't give even puppet independence to Indonesia: it was under formal military occupation until the end.
 
How about this. The book Max Havelaar, written in 1860, criticizing the brutal Dutch Cultivation System becomes even more succesful than it was in our time. Public outcry led to the establishment of the 'Ethical policy' (nice euphemism for 'White mans burden') in our time. What if an even greater outrage at the colonial policies would lead to greater reforms, giving the Indonesians (a limited) hand in the government of the Dutch East Indies. Perhaps this could grow to limited self-government for several areas within the archipelago, which could grow to the point of the colony coming to resemble British India.
 
How about this. The book Max Havelaar, written in 1860, criticizing the brutal Dutch Cultivation System becomes even more succesful than it was in our time. Public outcry led to the establishment of the 'Ethical policy' (nice euphemism for 'White mans burden') in our time. What if an even greater outrage at the colonial policies would lead to greater reforms, giving the Indonesians (a limited) hand in the government of the Dutch East Indies. Perhaps this could grow to limited self-government for several areas within the archipelago, which could grow to the point of the colony coming to resemble British India.

With that scenario, when will Indonesia achieve full independence?
 
An idea (butterfly-killer, though): an independent Philippines (1820s) wages war on the Dutch over the course of the 19th century, taking some of it under the patronage of the British and eventually forcing the Dutch out completely. In alt-World War 2, the Philippines and Japan become rivals, and alt-Indonesia is forced to take a side.
 
How about this. The book Max Havelaar, written in 1860, criticizing the brutal Dutch Cultivation System becomes even more succesful than it was in our time. Public outcry led to the establishment of the 'Ethical policy' (nice euphemism for 'White mans burden') in our time. What if an even greater outrage at the colonial policies would lead to greater reforms, giving the Indonesians (a limited) hand in the government of the Dutch East Indies. Perhaps this could grow to limited self-government for several areas within the archipelago, which could grow to the point of the colony coming to resemble British India.

Except the Dutch needs to conquer and unify Indonesia first which wasn't completed until the early 20th century.

I believe the problem with Dutch and British colonies is they are primed for post ww2 indepdence not before. One of This is due to how they treat their colonies which is quite the opposite of how the Spanish treat their colonies. There is also how long the colony was unified, 1565 for Spain, 1905 for the Dutch.

There is no encouragement of mix race marriages, assimilation, which would result into diffusion of western knowledge, culture and education faster.

Indonesia independence requires, be united by the colonizer, concept of self rule, concept of nation, western military tactics, education.

My take is that pre 1900 until 1920 pod means that it wouldn't be called Indonesia. Post 1900 means you have 1920s(concept of Indonesia/self rule) until 1940s to achieve independence.
 
Except the Dutch needs to conquer and unify Indonesia first which wasn't completed until the early 20th century.

I believe the problem with Dutch and British colonies is they are primed for post ww2 indepdence not before. One of This is due to how they treat their colonies which is quite the opposite of how the Spanish treat their colonies. There is also how long the colony was unified, 1565 for Spain, 1905 for the Dutch.

There is no encouragement of mix race marriages, assimilation, which would result into diffusion of western knowledge, culture and education faster.

Indonesia independence requires, be united by the colonizer, concept of self rule, concept of nation, western military tactics, education.

My take is that pre 1900 until 1920 pod means that it wouldn't be called Indonesia. Post 1900 means you have 1920s(concept of Indonesia/self rule) until 1940s to achieve independence.

Have to agree with you. Dutch colonial policy amounted to keeping the Indonesians divided and as far from any position of power as possible. Wanted to post a rough idea of what could fasten the process of making a nation out of a colonial possesion.
 
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