AHC: have a verified non Norse pre 1492 contact

The question is what impetus is there for a permanent settlement?

While on shore drying fish do a bit of trading of furs for metal tools on the side and perhaps some whaling and sealing. After a while these activities would require a permanent settlement.
 
I'm assuming we're not counting the Inuit as pre-1492 contact, although they were the most recent ethnic group to enter the Americas (sometime prior to 2000 BCE, which is still long after the ancestors of the more familiar Native American peoples arrived). But in this same vein, what about a Classical- or Medieval-period migration of Siberian peoples into the Americas? Say, a group of Chukchi settling in Alaska, or even further down the coast?
 
While on shore drying fish do a bit of trading of furs for metal tools on the side and perhaps some whaling and sealing. After a while these activities would require a permanent settlement.

Let's suppose the Basque form a small settlement on the coast of Newfoundland to do a bit of trading and whaling. What happens next? I imagine it won't be long before they realize, and by extension the Spanish/Castilians realize what's up. At that point, we just discovered the new world in say, 1400. This would have some very big affects because Europe in 1400 is not Europe in 1492.
 
Thor Heyerdahl proved the Egyptians could have done it with the technology available at the time, so the Greeks and Carthaginians would have been able to as well.
 
If the Inuit expansion happens a few hundred years earlier than in OTL, could some Inuit settlements appear in Iceland before 1492?
 
Thor Heyerdahl proved the Egyptians could have done it with the technology available at the time, so the Greeks and Carthaginians would have been able to as well.

Carthagians surely could have reach Americas but I doubt that Greeks or Egyptians would have. Greeks went outside of Mediterranean but I doubt that they could reach Americas and if so hardly could have return. And I am even more sceptical with Egyptians.

And haven't Heyedahl's theories met some criticism from science society?
 
Carthagians surely could have reach Americas but I doubt that Greeks or Egyptians would have. Greeks went outside of Mediterranean but I doubt that they could reach Americas and if so hardly could have return. And I am even more sceptical with Egyptians.

And haven't Heyedahl's theories met some criticism from science society?
It's not a theory. He built various boats and sailed them to various places to demonstrate it could be done.

The relevant one in this case was made of papyrus and sailed from Africa to America.

True his theories regarding whether this was done or not remain unproven given there's little evidence, it remains that it could have been done with the technology available at the time.

But the boat itself isn't a matter of scepticism. It happened. He sailed it.
 
Let's suppose the Basque form a small settlement on the coast of Newfoundland to do a bit of trading and whaling. What happens next? I imagine it won't be long before they realize, and by extension the Spanish/Castilians realize what's up. At that point, we just discovered the new world in say, 1400. This would have some very big affects because Europe in 1400 is not Europe in 1492.
1400, Navarra is still an independent Kingdom, so Castile wouldn't necessarily be in on it.
 
It's not a theory. He built various boats and sailed them to various places to demonstrate it could be done.

The relevant one in this case was made of papyrus and sailed from Africa to America.

True his theories regarding whether this was done or not remain unproven given there's little evidence, it remains that it could have been done with the technology available at the time.

But the boat itself isn't a matter of scepticism. It happened. He sailed it.
Yeah, proving it could be done, and proving it was done are two different things.
 

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The same with fisherman from Bristol England in the 1480s, I believe they were drying their catch onshore because salt for preserving fish was expensive in England.

Apparently they have found Canadien native culture, near where the historical Basque fishing settlements has been found, where the answer to How are you in native tongue is "Apaizak Hobeto"* ^The Priest are better (than me)^ Which is a wonderful answer but not to be found in modern Basque...

*https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiascSlgdzTAhXHOhQKHWNgB7UQFggtMAE&url=https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_vasco-algonquino&usg=AFQjCNF-CapLsSFqYPGQP54nQfvm_i6Tog&sig2=SXpU2XSphOZWCF5CCLGm_g
 
In Africa it is said that the king who ruled the Mali Empire immediately before Mansa Musa believed that there was land on the other side of the Atlantic and he himself attempted a crossing, but was never seen again.

The guy before Mansa Musa Keita was called Abu Bakr II, and he allegedly gave up the throne to his relative Musa to explore the limits of the Atlantic, and found new land. There isn't any 100% concrete evidence supporting this, but I think it is an interesting possibility that we(Africans) were there before Columbus. People on alternatehistory.com are apparently obsessed with this, 'cause there are so many threads about Mali discovering the Americas.
 
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