AHC: Habsburgs rule the Danube from its source to the Black Sea

raharris1973

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Simple enough challenge, how do we get the Habsburgs to exercise prolonged rule not just of most of the length of the Danube and its watersheds, but *all* of them.
 
Incluiding the watersheds?

Hmm, so, that would mean, going at least by this map; in addition to its OTL lands it would also need to incorporate:

-Bavaria
-Entirety of Serbia
-Entirety of Romania
-Upper half of Bulgaria

Don't think it could really be that simple enough. Well, perhaps not with Bavaria maybe, but the others...

Or can it be Habsburgs not under Austria itself? If it's possible.
 
Incluiding the watersheds?

Hmm, so, that would mean, going at least by this map; in addition to its OTL lands it would also need to incorporate:

-Bavaria
-Entirety of Serbia
-Entirety of Romania
-Upper half of Bulgaria

Don't think it could really be that simple enough. Well, perhaps not with Bavaria maybe, but the others...

Or can it be Habsburgs not under Austria itself? If it's possible.

How about staying North of the Danube itself. The Danube serving as a border between herself and the Ottomans like say the Rio Grande between the US and Mexico. They could demolish the fort at Belgrade as opposed to keeping it. And focus on gains in the danubian principalities during the Austro-Turkish war before the War of the Quadruple Alliance.
 
How about staying North of the Danube itself. The Danube serving as a border between herself and the Ottomans like say the Rio Grande between the US and Mexico. They could demolish the fort at Belgrade as opposed to keeping it. And focus on gains in the danubian principalities during the Austro-Turkish war before the War of the Quadruple Alliance.

That could sound more reasonable. So just Bavaria, Romania, and Serbia up until the river turns, then?
 
Napoleon III supports Austria against Prussia meaning they get South Germany and eventually conquer Romania and Yugoslavia after reforming under Maximilian I or Franz Ferdinand into the United States of Greater Austria.
 
The most obvious solution would be to make the Great Turkish War go even worse for the Ottomans, although I'm not sure how. Somehow kill off enough members of the House of Osman to cause a paralysing succession crisis and allow the Holy League forces to go around conquering territory with relative impunity?
 
Somehow trade off the Habsburg Italian possession in exchange for the Danubian Principalities. It would not be an even trade.
 

Vuru

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Turks get trashed earlier, but just enough so they don't get completely wiped out, so they agree on the mostly watershed border (which can be quite hard to find around Uroševac, except if Austria logically takes Macedonia along as well since it's easy to access))
 
The most obvious solution would be to make the Great Turkish War go even worse for the Ottomans, although I'm not sure how. Somehow kill off enough members of the House of Osman to cause a paralysing succession crisis and allow the Holy League forces to go around conquering territory with relative impunity?

Not necessarily, the problem as always was France. It'd be easier to keep the momentum and go for Wallachia as well but the Nine years war was going on and troops had to be moved to the Rhine front. Somehow incapacitate France and Wallachia may be obtained. Moldavia would fall to the PLC most likely.
 

raharris1973

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The most obvious solution would be to make the Great Turkish War go even worse for the Ottomans, although I'm not sure how. Somehow kill off enough members of the House of Osman to cause a paralysing succession crisis and allow the Holy League forces to go around conquering territory with relative impunity?

One question on this. How would Russia feel about the Austrians reaching the Black Sea and cutting Russia off from the balkans? Austria tried to curb excessive Russian gains in later joint wars on the ottomans. Perhaps the Russians would do so to them. Although I am not sure what the Russians at this early point could do to limit austrian gains.
 
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