AHC: Germany keeps its eastern territories post WWII

With a POD no earlier than September 1st, 1939, make it so that Germany has land east of the Oder Neisse line by the end of the Second World War.

Bonus points if East Prussia is kept in its entirety.
 

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With a POD no earlier than September 1st, 1939, make it so that Germany has land east of the Oder Neisse line by the end of the Second World War.

Bonus points if East Prussia is kept in its entirety.
Short of winning or a negotiated peace I have no idea how to make this work.
 
Short of winning or a negotiated peace I have no idea how to make this work.
Well there is option to accept untilmatum and retreat from Poland before September 3rd.

Or Poland is not compensated for losses of Eastern territories. Instead there is larger DDR including Prussia.

Or Maybe large number of former communist party members is deserting from Werhmacht, soviets organize them into small combat units. After they prove themselves in combat larger units are organized. As a reward we got larger DDR. ;)
 
Could a worse Soviet performance and/or a better Western Allies performance lead to a different agreement re partition of Germany?
 

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Well there is option to accept untilmatum and retreat from Poland before September 3rd.
Hitler would never survive politically.

Or Poland is not compensated for losses of Eastern territories. Instead there is larger DDR including Prussia.
I don't see how that would be possible given the desire to punish Germany for the war and reverse all their territorial gains...while also preventing future claims due to East Prussia.

Or Maybe large number of former communist party members is deserting from Werhmacht, soviets organize them into small combat units. After they prove themselves in combat larger units are organized. As a reward we got larger DDR.
There were, but the Soviets did not trust the Germans; IIRC there were German Communist combat units in the East IOTL. Still, I don't see the GDR getting rewarded for anything.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/03/book-m16.html
https://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-Germans-Against-Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Committee_for_a_Free_Germany
NKFD and BDO activity focused on propaganda and had their own newspaper and radio station. They sent leaflets to German soldiers at the front and POWs in the Soviet camps. Red Army Major Lev Kopelev described the joint psychological warfare at Grudziądz in March 1945 by the Red Army and members of the NKFD. General Walther von Seydlitz-Kurzbach offered to raise an anti-Hitler army from NKFD and BDO members to fight against the Nazis, but the Soviets did not accept this offer.

Some NKFD members were attached to frontline Soviet units to interrogate German POWs and for propaganda purposes.

Other NKFD members fought behind the German lines alongside Soviet partisan units.[citation needed] Towards the very end of the war so-called "Seydlitz-Troops" were sent to the German lines in uniform with orders to blend in with the defenders and spread confusion.[citation needed] Some rejoined their former comrades and others followed their orders.[citation needed] Many were caught and executed.[citation needed]

As the Red Army entered Germany, some NKFD members were appointed as officials in the local government of the Soviet occupation zone.
 
Could a worse Soviet performance and/or a better Western Allies performance lead to a different agreement re partition of Germany?

Hmmmm....always thought that this could be an outside chance if the Wehrmacht could have held the Soviets back in/on pre-September 1939 Soviet territory when the US/British flow east and maybe take Berlin since the Soviets are too far east.

Joho :)
 
Well there was an amateurishly planned attempt of the NS-Secret-Services to assassinate Stalin.
They failed spectaculary. But lets assume they don't.
If Stalin dies at the end of WWII Beria, head of the NKVD would probably succeed him.

Beria absolutly hated the Poles and Poland. With him the resurrection of Poland after WWII, isn't sure.
I think it is possible that he would spare Germany in favor of diminishing Poland.
 
Well there was an amateurishly planned attempt of the NS-Secret-Services to assassinate Stalin.
They failed spectaculary. But lets assume they don't.
If Stalin dies at the end of WWII Beria, head of the NKVD would probably succeed him.

Beria absolutly hated the Poles and Poland. With him the resurrection of Poland after WWII, isn't sure.
I think it is possible that he would spare Germany in favor of diminishing Poland.

So maybe at the least Beria in this scenario takes everything east of the Curzon Line, or annexes Poland as an SFSR then?
 
Elser's bomb kills Hitler. Goering dicks around trying to negotiate peace, while flinching at launching Fall Gelb (which few outside the panzer forces thought would succeed). The Allies refuse to deal with a Nazi. Meanwhile the USSR expands and looms ominously.

In mid-1940, the Schwarz Kapelle overthrows Goering, and negotiates a status quo ante bellum peace.
 
What about Operation Unthinkable. I know the Soviets were too strong to be beaten then (which is the reason it didn't happen IIRC). But if the Allies could pull it off with nuclear bombs or something, they might end up with the pre war borders.
 
There actually were several allied plans which had this. (Some of them instead cut off the Rhineland or so from Germany.)
 
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