(Uhmmm, as "democratic" as the current presidential regiment ?)Kerensky's provisional government in Russia could establish a Democracy.
Let Germany win in Winter 1916/17 latest.No communism, no red scare, no fascism etc.
So how can we make this happen?
If Germany had collapsed a year earlier than IOTL, the world would be a much better place. Kerensky's provisional government in Russia could establish a Democracy. No communism, no red scare, no fascism etc.
So how can we make this happen?
Have Turkey stay neutral
This opens the Bosphorus - which was responsible for 90% of Russian supplies etc
It also frees up hundreds of thousands of Entente troops who could be used on the Western Front / Italy
Hence Germany defeated/comes to terms in 1917
But if Russia is that much better off, the Tsar probably isn't overthrown, even if the war lasts into 1917 - which it might well not.
Better off than they were - wether or not if it is enough???
But as you imply the damage might already have been done - but Victory covers a multitude of sins
But if Russia is that much better off, the Tsar probably isn't overthrown, even if the war lasts into 1917 - which it might well not.
Better off than they were - wether or not if it is enough???
Perhaps greater pressure on the western front forces greater number of German reserves to be sent to that front making it easier on the Russians in 1915 and 1916
But as you imply the damage might already have been done - but Victory covers a multitude of sins
Could well be. Iirc, Nicholas agreed to abdicate under pressure from the generals, and fear that a refusal could mean civil war, leaving Russia at the mercy of Germany. If Russia is clearly in sight of victory, he has no reason to step down.
Indeed - even for a clot like Nicky II.
Even Nicky II was preferable to Lenin and Stalin.Could well be. Iirc, Nicholas agreed to abdicate under pressure from the generals, and fear that a refusal could mean civil war, leaving Russia at the mercy of Germany. If Russia is clearly in sight of victory, he has no reason to step down.
Indeed - even for a clot like Nicky II.
Putin's rise was substantially motivated by the humiliation of the USSR's collapse. Kerensky will be in the exact opposite situation of Yeltsin, Russia will have defeated Germany and probably gained new territory.(Uhmmm, as "democratic" as the current presidential regiment ?)
Raid-in of current politics aside :
IF - big if - Kerensky manages to stay in power past february 1918 (ITTL without the "need" of a Kerensky-offense as IOTL), I somehow doubt, that it would be a democratic russia but a presidential (at best) dictatorship, that still has to struggle against various factions all over the former tsarist empire.
... still same doubts even if there is a Kerensky-offensive as part of the german collaps. Maybe an even better "receipt" for a Kerensky-dictatorship.
There are too many "breaking-lines" (industrialists vs. workers, city vs. peasantry, nobility vs. liberal bourgoise, liberal bourgoise vs. socialistic revolutionaries, to name a few), that these would NOT be "utilized" by the contestants for power.
Tbh : I doubt, that after the February-Revolution there won't be at some point something similar to the russian civil war of OTL, though probably lesser in scope than IOTL
Let Germany win in Winter 1916/17 latest.![]()
Probably sooner than that, maybe even 1916.Have Turkey stay neutral
This opens the Bosphorus - which was responsible for 90% of Russian supplies etc
It also frees up hundreds of thousands of Entente troops who could be used on the Western Front / Italy
Hence Germany defeated/comes to terms in 1917
Probably sooner than that, maybe even 1916.
At the latest.'Chirstmas Ceasefire' 1916 - followed by an Armitice for part of 1917 before bowing to terms (in this TL?)
By collapse, I meant militarily, as happened in late 1918.The economic heart of Europe collapses and you think things will be better? Best case scenario it goes Communist. Worst case is a failed state that will suck up a lot of occupation troops with the continued spending and bloodshed that entails. Scientists and other educated professionals likely emigrate a generation earlier further compounding Germany's problems, unless they go Red.
Russia will be lucky if the Provisional Government survives. I get a Weimar vibe with Russia yearning for a return to an authoritarian leader.
So we get a reverse WWII with a fascist Russia and a Communist Germany.
Even Nicky II was preferable to Lenin and Stalin.
Couldn't agree more. But most people who do threads like this put their faith in the Provisional Government, which imho never stood much chance. For my money, the only question is whether Russia ends up with a despotism of the left or of the right.
I could imagine all of these leading to Germany being down for the count by the end of 1917 .