AHC: German Indochina

Tsao

Banned
With any POD after 1871 and before 1914, make the OTL French territories in Indochina German colonies.
 
Its pretty hard, unless the Germans somehow demand it from the French as reparations for starting the Franco-Prussian War. But i don't know how likely that is.
 

Germaniac

Donor
Its pretty hard, unless the Germans somehow demand it from the French as reparations for starting the Franco-Prussian War. But i don't know how likely that is.

Well the French were willing to discuss colonial holdings in return for A-L not being taken.
 

Nietzsche

Banned
Yeah but they wanted A-L, so maybe if they really wanted Indochina as well they could have gotten it.

Bismarck was furious that Germany asked for A-L, he wanted a war like the Austrian one of '66. No territorial concessions, just the recognition of either Prussia, or as in the Franco-Prussian war, Germany as the newest and most likely most-dominant power in Europe.

In short, he didn't want to have bad-blood with France, Austria...anyone really. Now, Bismarck -may- accept a colonial takeover, which France would care much less about.

But remember what Bismarck said of Africa(and other colonies/areas for monetary and resource gain); My Africa is Europe.
 
Bismarck was furious that Germany asked for A-L, he wanted a war like the Austrian one of '66. No territorial concessions, just the recognition of either Prussia, or as in the Franco-Prussian war, Germany as the newest and most likely most-dominant power in Europe.

In short, he didn't want to have bad-blood with France, Austria...anyone really. Now, Bismarck -may- accept a colonial takeover, which France would care much less about.

But remember what Bismarck said of Africa(and other colonies/areas for monetary and resource gain); My Africa is Europe.

Yeah, I know thats why its difficult. I suppose if there was no Bismarck, but thats a whole nother can of worms.
 

Nietzsche

Banned
Yeah, I know thats why its difficult. I suppose if there was no Bismarck, but thats a whole nother can of worms.

No Bismarck and you have a radically different Prussia and Germany. It certainly won't be as aggressive in regards to homogenizing it.
 
With any POD after 1871 and before 1914, make the OTL French territories in Indochina German colonies.

Absent a major European war, it's not possible. By 1871 France already had pretty firm formal control. So, a "scramble for Indochina" wasn't possible. Germany would have to acquire it /from France/, either by purchase, cession, or conquest.

Germany picking up Indochina instead of A-L is an interesting idea, mind. Has anyone done it before?


Doug M.
 
Bismarck was furious that Germany asked for A-L, he wanted a war like the Austrian one of '66. No territorial concessions, just the recognition of either Prussia, or as in the Franco-Prussian war, Germany as the newest and most likely most-dominant power in Europe.

In short, he didn't want to have bad-blood with France, Austria...anyone really. Now, Bismarck -may- accept a colonial takeover, which France would care much less about.

But remember what Bismarck said of Africa(and other colonies/areas for monetary and resource gain); My Africa is Europe.

Though very influential, Bismarck didn't decide everything; which is already mentioned and showed by the fact that Bismarck wasn't enthousiastic about A-L either.
A complication was the fact that A-L was seen as French by the French and as German by the Germans. A-L had a symbolic meaning for (quite some of) the German movement behind the German Unification.

A German Indochina and at least some other colonies, France would have had to pay a high price, if they really wish to keep A-L.
 
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