How about a Prussia Hudson's Bay?
WI Grossiliers and Radisson went into business for the Brandenburgers instead of England?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Médard_des_Groseilliers
Their story is on odd one, of defecting from French to English service in retaliation for the New France authorities rejection of their proposed venture of running the fur trade out of Hudson's base instead of the St. Lawrence.
In OTL they went from Canada to Boston and thence to England. What if they had gone to New Amsterdam and thence to Netherlands or some of its neighbors on the Baltic.
Make a deal with the Dutch, or with one of the Nordic states, or the Poles?
For purposes of this thread, let's say they make a deal in the 1770s with the Great Elector of Brandenburg of all people, who in OTL, began (ultimately unnsuccessful) colonial ventures in Africa, the Caribbean and India. G & R get to him earlier and scratch his colonial itch by selling him of the money to be made selling furs on the continent.
The Brandenburg, and later Prussian Hudson's Bay Company controls the territory known as "Rupert's Land" in OTL. Given competing French and English claims, it could very easily fall to either of them, but it is not a certainty, with luck, and a continual sense of other matters being a higher priority, the Prussians could hold onto the bay for quite awhile. Instead of Couriers du Bois, Brandenburger trappers (or those of any nationality who work for their company) become the jaegers der wald.
Brandenburg Hudson’s Bay (1660s to 1680s it starts) –
France can seriously endanger territory 1668-1713, if it bothers……hand it back in exchange for alliance in 1740s?
1740-1748 – English could attack it?
1750s – Prussia requested to do a sell-off in exchange for Anglo-Prussian alliance? UK had made Austrians sell-off Ostend company earlier.
If not, Prussian Arctic can be endangered again, but maybe restored in 1763. Prussia hardly in a position to make gains in the North American portion of the 7 Years War, but its service on the continent adds up to a strong claim with the British victors for Prussia to hold the territory or have it restored even if it went through a period of French occupation or of being defended mostly through British resources.
Britain has no quarrel with Prussia after 1763.
Britain occupies territory when Prussia is under French domination – ie, part of the continental system ---
Restored at Congress of Vienna ----even if not, 100 years of Prussian possession would make a permanent cultural impact on the bay.
If territory is Prussian in 1815, this hems Canada in. However, given continental alliances, the Prussians of the Bay may send some jaegers or hussars if they have any to aid the defense of Canada against American invasion. Prussians may send some colonists into the prairies, later in the 19th century. Some may make it to Oregon country. (Britain, Russia, Spain and US can all have claims too). If it gains Vancouver at least, the population can really grow and center of gravity expand.
Prussian North America as an ally of Mexico or the CSA? Major American War of conquest over Oregon country – Americans lose, or only win in a bloody war?
It won’t be tolerated past WWI, unless changed outcomes to the Mexican War or Civil War make it viable. A US war of conquest would happen and win, but, it could be enough to draw off American and British resources to allow a German victory in Europe.
WI Grossiliers and Radisson went into business for the Brandenburgers instead of England?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Médard_des_Groseilliers
Their story is on odd one, of defecting from French to English service in retaliation for the New France authorities rejection of their proposed venture of running the fur trade out of Hudson's base instead of the St. Lawrence.
In OTL they went from Canada to Boston and thence to England. What if they had gone to New Amsterdam and thence to Netherlands or some of its neighbors on the Baltic.
Make a deal with the Dutch, or with one of the Nordic states, or the Poles?
For purposes of this thread, let's say they make a deal in the 1770s with the Great Elector of Brandenburg of all people, who in OTL, began (ultimately unnsuccessful) colonial ventures in Africa, the Caribbean and India. G & R get to him earlier and scratch his colonial itch by selling him of the money to be made selling furs on the continent.
The Brandenburg, and later Prussian Hudson's Bay Company controls the territory known as "Rupert's Land" in OTL. Given competing French and English claims, it could very easily fall to either of them, but it is not a certainty, with luck, and a continual sense of other matters being a higher priority, the Prussians could hold onto the bay for quite awhile. Instead of Couriers du Bois, Brandenburger trappers (or those of any nationality who work for their company) become the jaegers der wald.
Brandenburg Hudson’s Bay (1660s to 1680s it starts) –
France can seriously endanger territory 1668-1713, if it bothers……hand it back in exchange for alliance in 1740s?
1740-1748 – English could attack it?
1750s – Prussia requested to do a sell-off in exchange for Anglo-Prussian alliance? UK had made Austrians sell-off Ostend company earlier.
If not, Prussian Arctic can be endangered again, but maybe restored in 1763. Prussia hardly in a position to make gains in the North American portion of the 7 Years War, but its service on the continent adds up to a strong claim with the British victors for Prussia to hold the territory or have it restored even if it went through a period of French occupation or of being defended mostly through British resources.
Britain has no quarrel with Prussia after 1763.
Britain occupies territory when Prussia is under French domination – ie, part of the continental system ---
Restored at Congress of Vienna ----even if not, 100 years of Prussian possession would make a permanent cultural impact on the bay.
If territory is Prussian in 1815, this hems Canada in. However, given continental alliances, the Prussians of the Bay may send some jaegers or hussars if they have any to aid the defense of Canada against American invasion. Prussians may send some colonists into the prairies, later in the 19th century. Some may make it to Oregon country. (Britain, Russia, Spain and US can all have claims too). If it gains Vancouver at least, the population can really grow and center of gravity expand.
Prussian North America as an ally of Mexico or the CSA? Major American War of conquest over Oregon country – Americans lose, or only win in a bloody war?
It won’t be tolerated past WWI, unless changed outcomes to the Mexican War or Civil War make it viable. A US war of conquest would happen and win, but, it could be enough to draw off American and British resources to allow a German victory in Europe.