AHC: further expanding Balts

Lithuania was a LOT more than twice the siize of the current baltics. So otl counts if i understand you. If you want something twice the size of the grand duchy, have fun.

It was also full of Slavs and used Chancellory Slavonic (i.e. Non-Moscovite Russian) as its language of state.

I think the OP wants more territory occupied by Ethnic Balts; that'd quote hard to do.
 
The Problem is the Slavs are exposed to Christianization due to them absorbing the Vistula Veneti if the Vistula Veneti merged with the Balts the Balts will have a better future compared to Slavs ITTL.

I think at the time when the Roman Empire conquered Gaul the Slavs and the Balts are starting to Split completely.

I am going to look into this, thanks al lot everyone;););)
 
So hows this. In the aftermath of the Mongols Lithuanian expands to the east absorbing most of the Russian city states. Kiev retains its importance allowing for a flowering of the Ukraine.
 

Arrix85

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So hows this. In the aftermath of the Mongols Lithuanian expands to the east absorbing most of the Russian city states. Kiev retains its importance allowing for a flowering of the Ukraine.

Having Lithuania expand wouldn't guarantee an expansion of the territory of ethnic balts. OTL it didn't happened.
 
I agree, but with a larger and stronger Lithuania the Prussians would have a better chance of retaining their identity although they might be absorbed as Lithuanians. Also make Lithuanian the prestige language.
 
I agree, but with a larger and stronger Lithuania the Prussians would have a better chance of retaining their identity although they might be absorbed as Lithuanians. Also make Lithuanian the prestige language.

making it a prestige language could come to good use to create a larger Ethnic Baltic land. could it only be achieved through the Baltic Prussians and Lithuanians in medieval times, or could it occur earlier??
 
I dont't think that baltic unity could have started much earlier, It would take outside pressure. The only real out side pressure earlier was from groups like the Jomsvikings who were more interested as far as I can find out with raiding the Wends. I think the Wends were Slavs. Even that probably was not enough pressure.
 
I dont't think that baltic unity could have started much earlier, It would take outside pressure. The only real out side pressure earlier was from groups like the Jomsvikings who were more interested as far as I can find out with raiding the Wends. I think the Wends were Slavs. Even that probably was not enough pressure.

alright...good to know, thanks;)
 
Thinking more about an earlier POD if Charlemagne went farther east rather than north the Balts might have consolidated. Charlemagne would have been much more worrisome than raiding vikings.
 
Thinking more about an earlier POD if Charlemagne went farther east rather than north the Balts might have consolidated. Charlemagne would have been much more worrisome than raiding vikings.

that would certainly put some presure on them, but could Charlemagne have reached that far eastwards??
 

Arrix85

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that would certainly put some presure on them, but could Charlemagne have reached that far eastwards??

North where??? he did campaigns against the Saxons, north of them there was only Denmark, to get to the Baltics he had to go trough northern Germany, I'm hoping altwere wasn't suggesting to pass through Bohemia to get to the Baltics... Anyway Charlemagne going that east is ASB, too many things to do in the south anyway, why go there?
 
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