AHC: Fully "British" Ireland

Earliest preferred POD is 1360, after the Black Death basically

The challenge is to achieve an Ireland under Britain were a large majority of the population, let's say 80% at least, identifies itself as British. I don't require it to be the only cultural-political identity of the island, as of course Irishness would remain a concept in most scenarios by virtue of geography.

What is not allowed or not preferred is industrial population movements, mass genocide and stuff like this, having stuff like the actual Ulster plantations, massacres that are not widespread and that are limited to warfare, emigration directly or indirectly caused by outside forces and stuff like this is allowed, although I doubt you could achieve the challenge by having a timeline were the later events are more present than OTL, but you can challenge me on that.
 
Maybe have some sort of Chartist revolution succeed resulting in full suffrage and Ireland being more integrated into the political process as an equal part of the country. As a result when the Famine strikes the government actually acts effectively thus preventing the horrific loss of life and helping to salve the resentment of previous atrocities and build a sense that the revolution has created a new Britain for all its subjects/citizens (depending on how radical the revolution was). Throw in some radical secularism to smooth over the religious sectarianism. Over time separatist sentiment begins to fade and the Irish see themselves as an integral part of Britain.
 
So a more pan-british spirit triumphing over ethnic nationalism in the UK ?
Well even among people that call themselves British in Scotland, I imagine(or I'm fully sure) that a lot would call themselves Scottish as well, so I don't think the factor here is ethnic nationalism.

http://policyscotland.gla.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/CoDE-briefing-Who-Feels-Scottish.pdf

Maybe have some sort of Chartist revolution succeed resulting in full suffrage and Ireland being more integrated into the political process as an equal part of the country. As a result when the Famine strikes the government actually acts effectively thus preventing the horrific loss of life and helping to salve the resentment of previous atrocities and build a sense that the revolution has created a new Britain for all its subjects/citizens (depending on how radical the revolution was). Throw in some radical secularism to smooth over the religious sectarianism. Over time separatist sentiment begins to fade and the Irish see themselves as an integral part of Britain.
Is the famine really the factor here? I have hard time seeing a more populated Ireland being less independentist, be it because now their weight against England is stronger and their society less divided and deprived during the 19th century, plus hardly can discrimination go away during the 19th century, correct me on that though.

A revolution seems an interesting idea, although I'm highly skeptical of a revolution of such nature achieving either complete takeover or in the case they do succeed, that they also manage to resolve the problems in Ireland or that the Irish wouldn't use this as a way to fuel yet another rebellion that could very well succeed if Britain becomes unable to respond because of the ensuing civil war or chaos.
 
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When Ireland was to be united with Britain, there was hope that catholic emancipation would come with union. Ultimately this turned out not to be the case, but if you managed to get catholic emancipation and a sympathetic response of the irish famine down the line, I think that could get most folks in Ireland feeling as British as the Scots or Welsh.
 
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