AHC: From Tripoli to Tripoli

With Lebanese city of Tripoli being mentioned in regards to the Syrian Civil War this got me thinking.

With a PoD anytime after 1500 how could it come to pass that the two Tripoli's, that is Tripoli in Lebanon and Tripoli in Libya could be parts of a single state besides the Ottomans (since they did IOTL) that's not Egypt and not as colonies (IE no alt. Italian Empire).
 
What qualifies as "Egyptian" because the Ayyubids had their roots in Syria, perhaps if after conquering Jerusalem Salah-al-Din decides to renovate it or make Damascus his capital rather than Cairo. They're by far my choice for most likely to achieve that. Either that or a Seljuq successor state arises in that region after a successful conquest of Egypt (although I can't think of any situation where hypothetical state is not based out of Cairo).
 
What qualifies as "Egyptian" because the Ayyubids had their roots in Syria, perhaps if after conquering Jerusalem Salah-al-Din decides to renovate it or make Damascus his capital rather than Cairo. They're by far my choice for most likely to achieve that. Either that or a Seljuq successor state arises in that region after a successful conquest of Egypt (although I can't think of any situation where hypothetical state is not based out of Cairo).

The POD is after 1500. Otherwise good suggestion.

Maybe a Syrian state breaks from the Mamelukes in 1500 and leads on from there?
 
The POD is after 1500. Otherwise good suggestion.

Maybe a Syrian state breaks from the Mamelukes in 1500 and leads on from there?

Oh, the issue I see is that Damascus just isn't as powerful a city as Cairo, any Syriac power that conquers egypt will almost certainly relocate into Egypt in the long run because of simple demographic power.
 
Oh, the issue I see is that Damascus just isn't as powerful a city as Cairo, any Syriac power that conquers egypt will almost certainly relocate into Egypt in the long run because of simple demographic power.

What exactly is the difference in demographics?

You need to prevent them from moving the capital into Egypt somehow.
 
What exactly is the difference in demographics?

You need to prevent them from moving the capital into Egypt somehow.

Egypt is by far one of the most populous and wealthy regions in the entire middle east. They have both some of the most productive and reliable farmland and Cairo for the longest time fought with Constantinople, Baghdad, and Cordoba for the title of Queen of Cities. Its mostly a matter of the Nile creating an amazing situation for farming.
 
With a 1500 POD I really can't see it though, the Ottomans where pretty much on the rise from that point forward and its hard to butterfly it away or create a situation where a power that isn't egypt rises to prominence in the region.
 
Pan-Arabism goes much farther, possibly as a result of different Mandates after WWI, and you end up with a Pan-Arab federation including both Libya and Lebanon.

It'd be a post-1900 POD, however.

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It's just not in the cards geographically. If you look at where the Tripolis are located in the world, then the logical location for the capital of any contiguous polity containing both cities is in Egypt. This would apply even if Egypt didn't happen to be such a rich and populous/fertile land in comparison to its neighbors.
 
Epic Persian shahanshah recreates the Achaemenid Empire and holds both Tripolis. Then promptly dies and his empire falls apart.
 
Both are conquered by the Karaman Empire :)

Alternatively, the Ottoman dynasty falls in a civil war and the empire changes its name to reflect the new Sultan's dynasty? Alternatively, could the Ottoman Empire split and a theocratic neo-Caliphate seize control of most of the empire south of Anatolia? Still requires the Ottomans (or Karamans or similar) to unite it in the first place.
 
Egypt is by far one of the most populous and wealthy regions in the entire middle east. They have both some of the most productive and reliable farmland and Cairo for the longest time fought with Constantinople, Baghdad, and Cordoba for the title of Queen of Cities. Its mostly a matter of the Nile creating an amazing situation for farming.

At the time, I thought Egypt's (1500) population was something like 4 million?
 
Easy. France divides Syria differently following an alt-Great War's dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire, creating a much smaller but much more Christian state in Mount Lebanon. This territory is eventually annexed to France as an overseas department, as the Maronite elite has no interest in being part of the underdeveloped clusterfuck that Syria is ITTL.

Tripoli in Libya becomes part of an overseas French department for a brief period following a Franco-Italian war, where Libya becomes a French colony.
 
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