AHC: France:Germany

Greeting,AH.Com.

Your challenge here is to make France the equivalent of Germany(On the After 1900 period)(And vice versa),with the POD minimum-on 1800's.


Can you do it? Kudos if it involves Napoleon.
 

Ryan

Donor
do you mean making France an economic power on par with Britain and the USA, and also the strongest military power in Europe?

all that comes to mind at the moment is for France to keep all the land up to the rhine, thus providing it with the extra resources and population to help industrialisation, after all that region is one of the most industrial and productive regions in otl Germany.
I don't know what would need to happen for that to occur though, as I don't know much about that period in European history.
 
do you mean making France an economic power on par with Britain and the USA, and also the strongest military power in Europe?

all that comes to mind at the moment is for France to keep all the land up to the rhine, thus providing it with the extra resources and population to help industrialisation, after all that region is one of the most industrial and productive regions in otl Germany.
I don't know what would need to happen for that to occur though, as I don't know much about that period in European history.

The german Rhineland is hard to keep in times of nationalism and chauvinism.

I think TimeRanger question has a different intent: Make France authorian and later fasisct, and than in reverse Germany a democracy.

My try: German Unification in 1848 and than loosing a war against France is a good start.
 

RavenMM

Banned
do you mean making France an economic power on par with Britain and the USA, and also the strongest military power in Europe?

Or He meant losing >33% of its area, all it's colonies, being disunited for nearly half a century and losings cultural and linguistic importance.
So... some parts of France go to germany, italy and belgium after WWI* and bretagne and aquitaine become separate states after WWII*, with france being occupied by different neighbours?
 
The german Rhineland is hard to keep in times of nationalism and chauvinism.

I think TimeRanger question has a different intent: Make France authorian and later fasisct, and than in reverse Germany a democracy.

My try: German Unification in 1848 and than loosing a war against France is a good start.
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Have France be more aggressive in acquiring HRE lands, so it gets the Rhineland about 50 to 100 years earlier. Eventually, when German nationalism comes, the Rhineland is mostly French.

Doubtful, that didnt even work in alsace lorraine 100%, and the Rhineland with Cities like Cologne, Koblenz, Düsseldorf e.t.c.. In this region are cities that are so damn german, they are a cliche in itself.
But I like your starting point. France can "aquire" the Land, but it will resemble Ireland before independance more or less. Famines, Uprisings, and all the funny blood and gore, which comes with it.
If that land is enough to make France a power on par with Germany is although doubtful, Germany still has more people, land and ressources.
 
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