AHC: Form alternate/new ethnic groups of the world

Lombards

Language: Lombardic (Germanic)

Location: Veneto and broader Dolomite region

Religion: Chalcedonian Christianity

Size: 3 million

History: Following the brief, decisive Gothic War in which the Rhoman Empire reasserted control over Italy, the remnants of the Ostrogothic Kingdom retreated to the Dolomite Alps. Fearing eventual reinvasion, the Empire tacitly urged a confederation of Germanic tribes to the east, headed by the Lombards, to invade and take the region for themselves. They succeeded and in turn became their own thorn in the Empire’s side, founding a stout mountainous kingdom that persisted for almost four centuries before being conquered by the expanding Empire of the Germans.
 
Numidian

Language:
Numidian (A Romance language with large Greek, Punic and Berber influences, and slight Arabic and Sub-saharan ones).
Ancestry: Mainly berbers, but also Romans and Greeks, and a large influx of western europeans such as French and Italians during the middle ages. During the age of expansion, many Italians would migrate to Numidia, and many slaves of arab and turco-syrian descent would also influence the population. In the modern day, Numidia has seen an influx of Sub-Saharan and Slav immigrants.
Religion: North African Catholicism, an autonomous branch of the Catholic religion whose head is the Patriarch of Carthage.
Size: 27 million.
Location: The Kingdom of Numidia occupies OTL Tunisia, but also Kabylia and much of Eastern Algeria. It also occupies Malta.
History: Breaking away from the Roman Empire after Justinian's betrayal of Belisarius, Belisarius would be rescued and brought to Carthage to lead the newly independent Kingdom. His line would continue through a local vandal wife, and the monarch of modern day Numidia trace their ancestry to Belisarius through the matrilineal line. The Kingdom would face off the muslims, but would be stuck in it's expansion due to hostile Mauretania in the west and it's conflicts with Spain and Italy through-out the ages. Today, Numidia and Mauretania (OTL Morroco) are strongly allied, being the only two Afro-Romance nations in the world. A strong sense of traditionalism and nationalism has taken the two nations, which has brought them closer together but has made their relations with their European bretheren grow cool. Even still, Numidia is seen as a continuation of the "European Zone", with Carthage being one of the west's most important capitals and cultural centers.
 
Ar-Ruma (Arabic: الرماة‎)) - an Arab-speaking ethnos widespread in West Africa. For a long time they were the elite of Nigeria. However, in the 1990s, after the elimination of the military dictatorship, they began to be discriminated against among the local population, as a result of which some of them migrated to the Arab states.

Language: Arabic.

Ancestry: The main nucleus is considered to be the descendants of the Moriscos - the descendants of the Islamic population of Spain, expelled during Christianization. Many settled in Morocco and Algeria. However, in 1521 Algeria became a Spanish Vassal, and in 1539 Tunisia was conquered by the Catholic Monarchy. in 1578-1580, the Sultanate of Morocco was defeated by the Portuguese (in 1630, the Mauretan territories were also transferred to the Spanish crown). Therefore, the Andalusian military leader Jurad Pasha (Diego de Guevara) organized a campaign of the Islamic army to the South.
Songhai experienced a short period of stabilization, followed by dynastic strife in 1582, when 4 rulers were replaced in 6 years, not counting numerous leaders. This was deftly used by Judar Pasha, who seized the city of Tegaza, and by 1588 defeated all the contenders in parts and captured the entire territory of Songhai.
The next target of Judar was the state of Mali in western Africa, in the delta of the Gambia River. It was even more fragmented than Songhai, and therefore fell within a few months. As a result, by the 1590s, refugees controlled the territory that became the stronghold of the largest independent state in Africa. The defeat of the anti-Spanish uprisings and the decline of the Ottoman Empire spurred the migration of the Arab-Berber population, which eventually replenished the population of the newly formed Sultanate.

The newly formed caliphate was a rigidly segregated formation - at the top were the Moriscos, Andalusians and the descendants of Christians who converted to Islam who came with Judar. Below was the indigenous Negro population, which the conquerors looked upon as slaves, often selling to Europeans from the coastal regions. Thanks to its huge reserves of gold and numerous trade routes, the Caliphate of Ar-Ruma experienced a meteoric rise, which, however, was not supported by the necessary reforms or attempts at modernization. This led to the fact that the proud "warriors of Allah" after more than 300 years themselves became colonial puppets of the already republican Spain.

Religion: Sunni Islam.
 
Ar-Ruma (Arabic: الرماة‎)) - an Arab-speaking ethnos widespread in West Africa. For a long time they were the elite of Nigeria. However, in the 1990s, after the elimination of the military dictatorship, they began to be discriminated against among the local population, as a result of which some of them migrated to the Arab states.

Language: Arabic.

Ancestry: The main nucleus is considered to be the descendants of the Moriscos - the descendants of the Islamic population of Spain, expelled during Christianization. Many settled in Morocco and Algeria. However, in 1521 Algeria became a Spanish Vassal, and in 1539 Tunisia was conquered by the Catholic Monarchy. in 1578-1580, the Sultanate of Morocco was defeated by the Portuguese (in 1630, the Mauretan territories were also transferred to the Spanish crown). Therefore, the Andalusian military leader Jurad Pasha (Diego de Guevara) organized a campaign of the Islamic army to the South.
Songhai experienced a short period of stabilization, followed by dynastic strife in 1582, when 4 rulers were replaced in 6 years, not counting numerous leaders. This was deftly used by Judar Pasha, who seized the city of Tegaza, and by 1588 defeated all the contenders in parts and captured the entire territory of Songhai.
The next target of Judar was the state of Mali in western Africa, in the delta of the Gambia River. It was even more fragmented than Songhai, and therefore fell within a few months. As a result, by the 1590s, refugees controlled the territory that became the stronghold of the largest independent state in Africa. The defeat of the anti-Spanish uprisings and the decline of the Ottoman Empire spurred the migration of the Arab-Berber population, which eventually replenished the population of the newly formed Sultanate.

The newly formed caliphate was a rigidly segregated formation - at the top were the Moriscos, Andalusians and the descendants of Christians who converted to Islam who came with Judar. Below was the indigenous Negro population, which the conquerors looked upon as slaves, often selling to Europeans from the coastal regions. Thanks to its huge reserves of gold and numerous trade routes, the Caliphate of Ar-Ruma experienced a meteoric rise, which, however, was not supported by the necessary reforms or attempts at modernization. This led to the fact that the proud "warriors of Allah" after more than 300 years themselves became colonial puppets of the already republican Spain.

Religion: Sunni Islam.
I know you probably don't, but on the off chance you do, do you have any maps of Ar-Ruma territory?
 
I know you probably don't, but on the off chance you do, do you have any maps of Ar-Ruma territory?
Well, I borrowed them from this world - this is a half-canon map. They rule over a territory that is designated the "Viceroyalty of Nigeria". But I don’t think they managed to achieve great concentration.
 

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Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to create alternate or new ethnic groups from alternate timelines by creating possible Point of divergence for the ethnogenesis. You must discuss about the history of the new/alternate ethnic group.

This is the first ethnic group for the challenge.

Moorish American
Language:
Andalucian (Modern Mozarabic)
Ancestry: Moorish (Mixture of Spanish, Arab and Berber) people who immigrated to the United States in 18th century
Religion: Islam
Culture: A mixture of Arab, Berber and Spanish customs with original customs.

Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to create alternate or new ethnic groups from alternate timelines by creating possible Point of divergence for the ethnogenesis. You must discuss about the history of the new/alternate ethnic group.

This is the first ethnic group for the challenge.

Moorish American
Language:
Andalucian (Modern Mozarabic)
Ancestry: Moorish (Mixture of Spanish, Arab and Berber) people who immigrated to the United States in 18th century
Religion: Islam
Culture: A mixture of Arab, Berber and Spanish customs with original customs.
Espanolcriollo
The name given for the Spanish to the creole population of Spain and Portugal of Native American descent. In this alternate timeline the Jesuit protest against Indian slavery had not been effectful. Not only in the Americas but also in Spain slavery was practiced. Although sickness had an devasting effect on native populations, eventually a high amount of ,Indian' serfs existed in Spain. With time many serfs could gain their freedom after becoming Catholics. A mixed population of Spanish and Native Americans grew. Because of oral education different languages of the homelands in the New World survived among the decendents and served as a common identity. The Mestizo-community also developed into some kind of social class of their own and practiced an unique form of Spanish. Starting in the harbor cities, the mestico poulation grew and by the 18th Century, after the Papal abolition of slavery, was around 15 % of the total Spanish poulation. Not only Spanish, but also Catalans and Basques intermingled with the decendents from Native America.
Ancestry: Native American, Spanish, Basques,Catalan,etc.
Language: Españolcreole
Religion: Catholic
Region: New Spain, Spain, Spanish-Holland
 
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Nazarenes

Language:
Aramaic, but most Nazarenes are also fluent in Arabic and/or Greek.
Ancestry: Largely Jewish, some Arabic and Greco-Roman influences.
Religion: Nazarene Judaism - so, chalk it up to the lack of a Saint Paul figure, but Christianity remains far more anchored to its Jewish roots, becoming just another flavour of said faith, whose main difference with mainstream Judaism is the inclusion of Jesus among the number of the prophets of the Lord; the ATL Nazarenes end up subsuming the remains of the OTL Essenes into them, and some of the more out there variants of 1st century Judaism as well.

Today's Nazarenes are a very small sect, not that dissimilar from the Mandaeans or the Samaritans - they could be considered some kind of middle ground between them, in fact. They live almost entirely within the state of Syria, that is, an Aramaic-speaking state occupying the whole Levant, where the Roman province(s) by the same name used to be. A few of them also live in Arabia; oddly enough, there are more Jews in Arabia than in Syria but, since mainstream Jews see them as vermin at best...
Culture: Very insular, to such a degree they have maintained habits and traits other Jews let go of, but rampant endogamy has resulted in a rather worrying amount of abuse and inbreeding among the community, not unlike that of some of the more fundamentalist Orthodox Jewish communities in OTL.
 
Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to create alternate or new ethnic groups from alternate timelines by creating possible Point of divergence for the ethnogenesis. You must discuss about the history of the new/alternate ethnic group.

This is the first ethnic group for the challenge.

Moorish American
Language:
Andalucian (Modern Mozarabic)
Ancestry: Moorish (Mixture of Spanish, Arab and Berber) people who immigrated to the United States in 18th century
Religion: Islam
Culture: A mixture of Arab, Berber and Spanish customs with original customs.
Isuramu Hanifu
Muslim traders during the Medival period eventually reached Japan. After Timuirds conquered the heavenly city of Peking, Islam hold its ground in Chinese Empire with a significant class of Muslim officials, military commanders and philosophers rising. Among the traders from Timurid China had been Turkics, Chinese, Arabs and Persians. These people settled in different habor cities in Japan where they intermarried into the local populations. The Isuramu practiced Sunni Islam and lived by trading profession. More and more even hold influenceful positions at Dynamo courts. After Japan closed its ports due to fear of foreign influences the Isuramu had been isolated by the mainland. They developed their own tradition and cuisine (inspired by Persian-Turco-Arab) within Japanese society and usually married within their communities. Their mosques resembled Japanese temples from the outside. Arabic terms, Turcic and Chinese dialects persisted some time and merged withe the general Japanese language.

Ancestry: Asian Muslims
Language: Isuramu-Japanese
Culture: Isuramu-Japanese Muslim
Appearance: Japanese
 
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Rûmiyeen
(Arabised Hellens/Arabo-Anatolians)
  • Language:
    • Arabic
      • Standard Arabic
      • Anatolian Arabic (Dialect)
      • Yunani Arabic (Dialect)
    • Rûmiya
      • A continuum of Greek dialects spoken in Muslim-controlled areas of Greece, Cyprus, Crete and Anatolia named Al-Rûm
  • Ancestry:
    • Anatolian Greeks
      • Anatolian population pre-dating Muslim/Caliphal rule, culturally and linguistically Hellenised
    • Arab
      • Settlement of Arab Bureaucrats and Tribal confederations following Islamic conquests of region
  • Religion:
    • Islam
    • Christianity
  • Culture: A fusion of Hellenic and Arabic culture/Hellenic culture with heavy Arabic influences
  • Region:
    • Anatolia
      • Indigenous territory
    • Cyprus
    • Crete
    • Greece
    • Significant concentrations exist across North Africa, Egypt and Levant
  • History: The Caliphal conquests of Anatolia spanned from the late Rashidun Era to the Conquest of Constantinople by Caliph Isa II in 1095 AD (488 Hijrah). Under Muslim rule, the regions conquered underwent a very gradual process of cultural and linguistic Arabisation. Anatolia saw an influx of Arab settlement during such a time period, with Arab/Arabised Bureaucrats and large tribal confederations settling and intermarrying with the local population. In spite of such and the efforts of many of the Arab-Centric Caliphs, a significant bulk of the population remains non-Arabized (estimates ranging from 25-35%). There have been many prominent Rûmiyeen figures in Islamic history, such as Caliph Iskander and multiple great philosophers.
 
Gauls


Language: Gallic (A romance language based of Latin, Gallic and Germanic influences), also know as a OTL even more romance French and the language of the world currently closest to Ancient Latin.
Ancestry: Celtic tribes, Roman settlers and many barbarian foederati mainly Franks, Burgudians, Goths and Allemanni. In further centuries, many more would immigrate to Gallia.
Religion: Catholicism, autonomously led by the Primate of Gaul based in Lugdunum (OTL Lyon).
Size: 667 million ethno-cultural Gauls. The Gallic language is spoken by more than a billion people worldwide.
Location: The Gallic Empire stretches over all of ancient Roman Gaul and it's many Ultramarine Provinces of Elysya in the North American continent and other lands spread around the world.
History: Syagrius beats and kills Clovis in the battle of Soissons, and he and his descendants continously reconquer all of Gaul. Gaul continuous for long to "serve" the Eastern Roman Empire but disagreements with this Empire and the conquest of Italy by the Franko-Germanic King Charles the Grand in 874 sees the Holy Roman Empire formed, composed of the provinces of Germania and Italia together. In response, Gallia declares it's "official" independence as an Empire, with Aetius of the House of Syagrius being the first Emperor of Gaul since the crisis of the third century. Gaul eventually enters a period of splendid isolation, only intervening in Hispania in support of it's local christian allies against the invading muslims. It keeps a modern bureaucracy that sees Gaul be the first to cross the Ocean in 1443, becoming the first and eventually greatest colonizing power ever. Today, Gallia is the strongest and most prosperous nation of the world, stretching various continents and peoples.
 
Rûmiyeen
(Arabised Hellens/Arabo-Anatolians)
  • Language:
    • Arabic
      • Standard Arabic
      • Anatolian Arabic (Dialect)
      • Yunani Arabic (Dialect)
    • Rûmiya
      • A continuum of Greek dialects spoken in Muslim-controlled areas of Greece, Cyprus, Crete and Anatolia named Al-Rûm
  • Ancestry:
    • Anatolian Greeks
      • Anatolian population pre-dating Muslim/Caliphal rule, culturally and linguistically Hellenised
    • Arab
      • Settlement of Arab Bureaucrats and Tribal confederations following Islamic conquests of region
  • Religion:
    • Islam
    • Christianity
  • Culture: A fusion of Hellenic and Arabic culture/Hellenic culture with heavy Arabic influences
  • Region:
    • Anatolia
      • Indigenous territory
    • Cyprus
    • Crete
    • Greece
    • Significant concentrations exist across North Africa, Egypt and Levant
  • History: The Caliphal conquests of Anatolia spanned from the late Rashidun Era to the Conquest of Constantinople by Caliph Isa II in 1095 AD (488 Hijrah). Under Muslim rule, the regions conquered underwent a very gradual process of cultural and linguistic Arabisation. Anatolia saw an influx of Arab settlement during such a time period, with Arab/Arabised Bureaucrats and large tribal confederations settling and intermarrying with the local population. In spite of such and the efforts of many of the Arab-Centric Caliphs, a significant bulk of the population remains non-Arabized (estimates ranging from 25-35%). There have been many prominent Rûmiyeen figures in Islamic history, such as Caliph Iskander and multiple great philosophers.
So these people can speak either Greek or Arabic? Do they speak Greek in Greece, Cyprus, Crete, and Anatolia but Arabic in the Levant and North Africa?
Thus, the Anatolian and Yunani Arabic refer to where these people originally came from, and not where they live now?
 

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So these people can speak either Greek or Arabic? Do they speak Greek in Greece, Cyprus, Crete, and Anatolia but Arabic in the Levant and North Africa?
Thus, the Anatolian and Yunani Arabic refer to where these people originally came from, and not where they live now?
Rûmiya is an ATL equivalent of Mozarabic, essentially Greek in an Arabic alphabet with a heavy amount of Arabic loan words and influences. It is spoken primarily by the non-Arabized population and Christian Anatolians.

Anatolian populations have settled across different regions of the Caliphate (akin to Turkish settlement during the Ottoman Empire). In terms of dialect, Yunani and Anatolian are simply varieties of Arabic spoken as the local vernacular. Yunani tends to be spoken primarily towards the western coastline, closer to Greece. While the interior and eastern regions tends to speak Anatolian.
 
Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to create alternate or new ethnic groups from alternate timelines by creating possible Point of divergence for the ethnogenesis. You must discuss about the history of the new/alternate ethnic group.

This is the first ethnic group for the challenge.

Moorish American
Language:
Andalucian (Modern Mozarabic)
Ancestry: Moorish (Mixture of Spanish, Arab and Berber) people who immigrated to the United States in 18th century
Religion: Islam
Culture: A mixture of Arab, Berber and Spanish customs with original customs.
Izrail'tyane-russkiye
The Pagan Rus had been influenced by the everlasting Jewish Khanate of the Chasars. The Byzantine Empire had been crushed by Pagan Bulagarian and Arab expansion, the Christian-Orthodox influence never reached the East-Slavic people. Eventually Olga and Vladimir of Kiew received delegations by the Chasars. Chasar Rabbis brought them to Judaism. Eventually the two declared themselves as rulers of the Rus peoples of Israel. They eventually deduced their origin to King Deyvid and Solomon of Israel. Judaism was introduced top-down and institutionalized. The Russian Synagoges had been some of the most splendid in the world. Eventually thousands of Jews from Europe and Persia fled to the Judaistic Russian Empire (Izrail' Rossiya).The Russian-Jewish Empire. The Slavic language had been heavily influenced by the Hebrew liturgy. The Russian script is usually written in Hebrew letters.
Ancestry: Russians
Language: Ivrit russkiy
Religion: Judaism
Appearance: East-Slavic
Location: Izrail'tyanin Solomonovo Imperiya Rossiya (Israelite Salomonian Empire of Russia)
 
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Izrail'tyanin Solomonovo Imperiya Rossiya
Incorrect declination. Perhaps this is not a bug, but a feature, but it looks like this.
More correctly - Izrail'skaya Solomonovskaya Imperiya Rossiya. But that doesn't sound very good. Better something like Rossiyskaya Imperiya Izrailityan.
 
Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to create alternate or new ethnic groups from alternate timelines by creating possible Point of divergence for the ethnogenesis. You must discuss about the history of the new/alternate ethnic group.

This is the first ethnic group for the challenge.

Moorish American
Language:
Andalucian (Modern Mozarabic)
Ancestry: Moorish (Mixture of Spanish, Arab and Berber) people who immigrated to the United States in 18th century
Religion: Islam
Culture: A mixture of Arab, Berber and Spanish customs with original customs.
Ealder/Ealves
The earliest anatomically modern humans in Europe left traces in different parts of Europe. In England, due to alternate circumstances, isolated semi-nomadic remnant groups hold on in parts of Britannia and Hibernia. Their language had been very alien to later cultures such as Celts,Romans, etc. The Romans called these peoples Dryadales.
Even in England small tribes of wood dwelling ancient men survived until the arrivel of Anglo-Saxons. Originally, despite their relatively low population, the Ealder-Clans had well established trade routes and communicated with each other. For thousands of years after the Ice Age, these people had been more and more contained to isolated pockets of forested valleys, hills and swamps. The Anglo-Saxons thought of these people as ancient beings, so they called them Ealder. Like the Romans they also believed them to be Elves of the woods. During the Saxon times apparently about 2000-3000 Ealders remained in Britannia by 850 AD. Some Saxon missionaries wrote about them in Old English script. These writings had been called ,The Aelder Scrolls'. The Aelves allegedly followed shamanistic believes. Genetic studies revealed that these poulations had been lactose-intolerant. One of the most well known Ealder had been St. Peter of Somerset, a converted Ealder, who after becoming a priest tried to preach to his people.
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Appearance: Dark-to-black skin, dark brown or black hair, blue eyes
Religion: Traditional religions
Ancestries: Earliest (Cro-Magnon genetic influence) hunter gatherers of Post-Ice Age Europe
Culture: Semi-nomadic, hunter-gatherer lifestyle
Regions: Various parts of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.
Language: Paleolithic language
 
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Ealder/Ealves
The earliest anatomically modern humans in Europe left traces in different parts of Europe. In England, due to alternate circumstances, isolated semi-nomadic remnant groups hold on in parts of Britannia and Hibernia. Their language had been very alien to later cultures such as Celts,Romans, etc. The Romans called these peoples Dryadales.
Even in England small tribes of ancient men survived until the arrivel of Anglo-Saxons. For thousands of years after the Ice Age, these people had been more and more contained to isolated pockets of forested valleys, hills and swamps. The Anglo-Saxons thought of these people as ancient beings, so they called them Ealder. Like the Romans they also believed them to be Elves of the wood. During the Saxon times apparently about 2000-3000 Ealders remained in Britannia by 850 AD. Some Saxon missionaries wrote about them in Old English script. These had been called ,The Aelder Scrolls'. The Aelves allegedly followed shamanistic believes. Genetic studies revealed that these poulations had been lactose-intolerant. One of the most well known Ealder had been St. Peter of Somerset, a converted Ealder, who after becoming an priest tried to preach to his people.
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Appearance: Dark skin, black hair, blue eyes
Religion: Traditional religions
Ancestries: Earliest Cro-Magnon hunter gatherers of Post-Ice Age Europe
Culture: Semi-nomadic, hunter-gatherer lifestyle
Regions: Various parts of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.
How did they survive the Ice Age glaciers?
 
East Inuits

Language: Various Inuit-descended languages that split as they settled the British isles.
Religion: Shamanism, Sunni and Ibadi Islam
History: After a cataclysmic disease wipes out most of the native peoples in Europe, migrants from Greenland island utilizing advances in boat techniques to migrate to Iceland , eventually by the 1700s they colonized even northern Scotland and Ireland. Due to the rapid technological and cultural collapse that occurred there, most denizens in Europe were mostly wiped out. By 2010, society is back to a technological level similar to the feudal age, ancient Europe is only a memory. Islamic missionaries from Andalusia and Faransa, however, have started to spread Islam, especially in the southern coastal area.
 
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Vinlanders

Ancestry: Even admixture of Scandinavian, Inuit, Gaelic, and Mi'kmaq.

Religion: Folk Catholicism, heavily influenced by Indigenous spirituality. Some trace remnants of Norse paganism recognizable to scholars.

Population: 200,000: Mostly in the Atlantic Provinces of Canada.

Language: Vinlandic, a mixed language primarily composed of old Norse and Mi'kmaq. Some minor Inuit influences can also be found. The language is considered critically endangered.

History: Recognized as one of the four indigenous people groups of Canada, the Vinlanders came about as a result of Scandinavian settlers, together with their Gaelic Irish slaves, marrying indigenous women. The Norse communities were too small to sustain themselves, and they gradually intermingled with the native in Vinland to the point where they were no longer a distinct community. Over time, a multiracial community developed that maintained elements of both ethnic groups.
 
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