AHC: Form alternate/new ethnic groups of the world

twovultures

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Tasmaniens Outre-Mer

Language: French, Antipodal French Creole

Ancestry: Tasmanian Aborigine, Acadian French

Religion: Catholic

Culture: Antipodal French

Region: La Nouvelle Zealande

Brief History: When the French settled the virgin territory of New Zealand in the late 18th century (mistakingly believing it was a peninsula of the "Great Southern Continent") the original settlers included Acadian refugees from the colonies in the New World now lost to the British. It was these refugees who realized the potential of the fur trade, as New Zealand's beaches were overflowing with a population of naive fur seals ripe for the taking. Of course, killing seals in their thousands was easy; skinning them was a different matter, the Acadians were few in number and most of the other colonists were Metropolitan French who could barely farm, let alone hunt.

The Acadians resolved this problem by hiring Tasmanian Aborigines, mostly women (many of whom were skilled sealers) to do this work. They bought their service with iron tools and tobacco. The line between being hired and being enslaved was a fine one, and the history of the Tasmanians in Nouvelle Zealande is a mix of people terribly abused and trafficked, and adventurers who found themselves carving a valuable niche for their existence in a brave new world. Many of the Tasmanians would intermarry with the Acadians, teaching them not only the skills of skinning seals but also how to gather ferns in the virgin forests of Nouvelle Zealande. These were the ancestors of the "Overseas Tasmanians", who despite their assimilation to French culture kept their identity as Aborigines, much like the Gardians cowboys and Pecheur Noires ethnic groups of Tasmania proper.
 
Bobbbcat2

Bobbbcat2

New Zealand Palawa

Languages: English (predominant), Māori, Palawa Kani

Ancestry: Tasmanian Aboriginal/Palawa, Māori, Pākehā/White New Zealander

Religion: Christianity (Protestantism, Catholicism, Māori Christianity), no religion.

Culture: a mix of Māori, Tasmanian Aboriginal and European influences

Region: New Zealand (mainly Auckland and Northland)

Short History: During the Black War in Tasmania, about 250 Tasmanian Aboriginals were taken to New Zealand by Māori people as slaves (there was a proposal for this OTL). The New Zealand Palawa were freed from slavery in 1863, but still suffered from discrimination and erasure of culture. In recent years there has been a cultural revival of New Zealand Palawa culture and increased awareness of their history.
 
Neoteros

Neoteros

Alasker

POD: Russia sells Alaska to the House of Liechtenstein, as they wanted to do in OTL.

Language: a sub-dialect of Alemannic German; most German immigrants to Alaska having been either Volga Germans from Russia or Alemannic German speakers from eastern Switzerland and western Austria; the biggest sources of loanwords are the local Eskimo-Aleut and Na-Dene languages, as well as Russian and Ukrainian.

Ancestry: German and indigenous in equal measure, since the first settlers were for the most part male, and the only single women available were native.

Religion: Catholicism, for the most part, and quite serious about it.

Culture: Alpine German culture meets North American frontier culture.
 

jocay

Banned
Urvagchid

Language: Uravagchny (Mongolian language with Salish and other native influence)

Ancestry: The ancestors of the Urvagchid were among the tens of thousands of Oirat Mongols forcibly marched eastward and transported to the Russian colony of Alaska to serve as manual labor and extra manpower for the colonial militia. They would later escape and mix with the native tribes of Russian Alaska and the un-conquered Pacific Northwest.

Religion: They practice a mix of Buddhism and animistic rituals. A small minority are Orthodox Christians, a legacy left over from Russian rule.

Culture: Mongol + Native American

Region: Alaska + Pacific Northwest

Brief History: After the passing of the Oirat ruler Ayuka Khan in the 18th century, the political situation amongst the Oirats destabilized as the Russian Empire gradually chipped away at the autonomy that they once had, bringing settlers from the west to graze on their pastures to forcing them to send young men to die in their many wars against the Ottoman Empire. On top of that they were being forced to convert to the ways of the Russian Orthodox Church. This made many disillusioned.

Enough so that the Oirats were prompted to flee and migrate eastward to their ancestral homeland in Dzungaria, now ruled by the Qing dynasty. Initially Ubashi Khan planned to send 30,000 calvary to the frontlines of the Russo-Turkish War to gain weaponry but he decided to take a chance and migrate. Only a small minority remained to stay behind. The Oirats had already reached the Central Asian steppes when the Russian government discovered the plot. The Russian government contacted the Qing and the two governments conspired to destroy the Oirats once and for all.

It was at moments prior to the Battle of Urumqi where the Oirat hordes found themselves surrounded, outnumbered and outmaneuvered by the Russian and Chinese armies. Ubashi Khan knew when he was beaten and send emissaries to both sides. They were murdered and sent to him pieces. Ubashi attempted once again a few days later to negotiate surrender, offering to give himself and the nobility to either side in exchange for sparing his people and offering them grazing lands. His terms were rejected. Ubashi knew that the Chinese and Russians meant to bring extermination to his people. So he decided to make a stand and fight both armies. At the Battle of Urumqi, despite being outnumbered 4 to 1, the Oirats (despite great difficulty) destroyed the Qing army and managed to inflict heavy casualties on the Russians but at the end of the day, the Oirats lost. Ubashi Khan was executed along with 150,000 Oirats.

As their punishment, the Russian Tsar sentenced the survivors to be put in chains and forced to settle in the recently colonized lands of Alaska in the New World. It was there that they would come into contact with the Aleuts and other Native Alaskan tribes, also being oppressed by the Russians. Despite their numbers being drastically cut, the Oirats, now redubbed Urvagchid ("traitors") by their Russian captors, they were still the numerically superior and dominating ethnic element in Russian Alaska. They would be aware of this and would slowly conspire with the natives and other lowly elements to one day cast off Russian rule over their slice of the Americas.

It was around the early 19th century upon the execution of princes belonging to the Torghut sub-tribe for failing to show their loyalty to the Russian governor that the rebellion began. The Alaskan colonials, many of them who relied on the princes to serve as middle-men between themselves and the Russian government, saw this as a step too far and mounted an uprising against the Russians. In the span of a decade, Russian authority in Alaska and the Pacific Northwest collapsed and multiple independent states arose. Many of the newly liberated Urvagchid took the opportunity to migrate, wanting to return to the life of their ancestors, where no government would command them.

Many to this day still prefer the simplicity of life in the countryside.
 
P L Richards

P L Richards

twovultures said:
Tasmaniens Outre-Mer

Language: French, Antipodal French Creole

Ancestry: Tasmanian Aborigine, Acadian French

Religion: Catholic

Culture: Antipodal French

Region: La Nouvelle Zealande

Brief History: When the French settled the virgin territory of New Zealand in the late 18th century (mistakingly believing it was a peninsula of the "Great Southern Continent") the original settlers included Acadian refugees from the colonies in the New World now lost to the British. It was these refugees who realized the potential of the fur trade, as New Zealand's beaches were overflowing with a population of naive fur seals ripe for the taking. Of course, killing seals in their thousands was easy; skinning them was a different matter, the Acadians were few in number and most of the other colonists were Metropolitan French who could barely farm, let alone hunt.

The Acadians resolved this problem by hiring Tasmanian Aborigines, mostly women (many of whom were skilled sealers) to do this work. They bought their service with iron tools and tobacco. The line between being hired and being enslaved was a fine one, and the history of the Tasmanians in Nouvelle Zealande is a mix of people terribly abused and trafficked, and adventurers who found themselves carving a valuable niche for their existence in a brave new world. Many of the Tasmanians would intermarry with the Acadians, teaching them not only the skills of skinning seals but also how to gather ferns in the virgin forests of Nouvelle Zealande. These were the ancestors of the "Overseas Tasmanians", who despite their assimilation to French culture kept their identity as Aborigines, much like the Gardians cowboys and Pecheur Noires ethnic groups of Tasmania proper.
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I like, but what's happened to the Maori in this scenario?
 

Byzantion

Caravels of Portugal said:
Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to create alternate or new ethnic groups from alternate timelines by creating possible Point of divergence for the ethnogenesis. You must discuss about the history of the new/alternate ethnic group.

This is the first ethnic group for the challenge.

Moorish American
Language: Andalucian (Modern Mozarabic)
Ancestry: Moorish (Mixture of Spanish, Arab and Berber) people who immigrated to the United States in 18th century
Religion: Islam
Culture: A mixture of Arab, Berber and Spanish customs with original customs.
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Le Sarrasins : French speaking native Muslims in Southern France. Most have Moorish ancestry. Sarrasins are descended from Muslims in Medival Southern France. They usually speak ,Provence Arab' which developed from the Common Arab tongue. Their communities survived, even stayed in secret until religious tolerance. The label ,La Sarrasin' developed more and more into a name, the community identified with. They developed a Provence style Islam. Unlike Moriscos in Spain their communities survived several centuries. They consider themselves French by Nationality. Ancestry: Moorish Language: Provence Arab Culture: Southern French, Moorish elements Religion: Islam
 
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Goldenarchangel

Agypeans
Language: Demotakese (Mix of the Pharaonic commoner language and ancient Greek )
Ancestry: Egyptian and Greek settlers from a poltlemic attempt at southward expansion and latter
Religion: Islam and Christianity . Both with heavy influences from both Egyptian and Greek myths .
Region : East Africa, more specifically the coasts of Eritrea .

(My first attempt at forming an ethnic group . Might later add cultural bits )
 

Byzantion

Caravels of Portugal said:
Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to create alternate or new ethnic groups from alternate timelines by creating possible Point of divergence for the ethnogenesis. You must discuss about the history of the new/alternate ethnic group.

This is the first ethnic group for the challenge.

Moorish American
Language: Andalucian (Modern Mozarabic)
Ancestry: Moorish (Mixture of Spanish, Arab and Berber) people who immigrated to the United States in 18th century
Religion: Islam
Culture: A mixture of Arab, Berber and Spanish customs with original customs.
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This thread should be re-vitalized.
 

Hvalrossen

Byzantion said:
This thread should be re-vitalized.
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I'll give it a try.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicobar_Islands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaman_and_Nicobar_Islands#Danish_colonial_period_and_British_rule

Fredrikkaner
POD: The Danish Crown succesfully colonises the Nicobar and Andaman islands, in this case using a scenario of settler colonialism.
Language: Fred's tonge
Ancestry: Danish, Norwegian, German, Indian, Nicobarse, Andamanese, Shompen
Religion: Christianity(Majority, allthough many Christians practiced syncretic versions), Atheism(Minority), Islam(Minority)
Region: Nicobar Islands, Andaman Islands
History: Hoping to secure a strong hold on the Fredriksøerne, the Danish Crown decided to resettle criminals to the islands as an alternative to prison or execution. From across the realm the convicts ere collected, from Iceland and Finnmark in the North to Holstein in the south. In the begining this policy was opposed by those who meant that it neglected the punishment that criminals deserved. Other pointed out the supposed high mortality rate of convicts, which was true early in the programm but would be greatly reduced. Not all convicts who were resettled in the Fredrikøer were criminals in that they had broken moral laws, some were guilty of other 'crimes' like breaking the censors rule.
Criminals were not the only ones that were deported to the Fredriksøer. There was also a small program that resettled orphans to islands, allthough this was ended not long itme after being implemented due to public opposition to the program. Prostitutes around the kingdom was rounded up and deported to the islands were they were intended to serve as wifes.
Along with the convicts bureucrats and soldiers were also settled on the islands. Generally they held more privileged and prestigious positions.

In 1941 the Fredriksøer declared independance from Denmark, with whom they to this day still have very friendly relations. During World War 2 they joined the allies. Besides a small Japanese raid the Frediksøer was generally peacefull furing the war.

As technologies in aerospace asvanced the Fredriksøer transformed itself into a tourist destination. From 60s to the 80s most tourist were Scandinavian, Japanese or New Zealanders. In recent years the islands have become popular across the globe.
 
Iacobus

Iacobus

Ostensich/Ostense

POD: Koxinga, ruler of the Kingdom of Tungning, a Ming rump-state invades the Philippines and ejects the Spanish. In 1683 Taiwan falls to the Qing and Tungning is relegated to it's holdouts on the Philippines which become increasingly dependent on the Dutch for economic and military support. In 1727, the British and Dutch agree to allow the Austrian Ostend Company to take over administration over the Philippine Archipelago and it later assumed the name Ostenilles or 'Eastern Isles'. Despite being officially a possession of the Austrian Empire, it mostly received immigration from the Northern HRE, mainly Flanders (where the OC was based) and the Hanseatic Cities of Northern Germany. The colonies on the Ostenilles grew rapidly through the mid-18th century until the Napoleonic invasion of the Low Countries which led to the dismantling of the OC in Europe, followed in 1806 by the abolition of the HRE. After this the Ostenilles found themselves without a master and were later recognised as an autonomous entity by the British and Dutch in 1816, though the latter progressively sought to exert influence and power over the islands but ultimately lacked the manpower to effectively do so without mutual co-operation.

Through the mid 19th century, the threat of Qing invasion of the Ostenilles decreases due to western powers besting a weakened China militarily. In 1884, the German Empire begins to take an interest in colonial ventures and seeks to establish friendly ties with the Ostenilles which were already close due to many of the Ostensich settlers being of German extraction. In 1888 Germany forges and alliance with the Ostenilles and allows the Ostensich to jointly administer its Asiatic and Pacific colonies as part of the Osten-Deutsche Condominium.

WW1: The ODC is aligned with the Central Powers and is attacked by Britain and Japan in 1914 and the USA in 1917. The Condominium ends and the Ostenilles loses it's possessions outside the archipelago including Sabah.

WW2: The Ostenilles is granted back Sabah by the British in 1937 as a gift to coax it on to the Allied side. It however decided to avoid direct confrontation with Japan when the war between Japan and the Allies begins and allows Japanese military personnel within its territory until 1944 when it declares war on Japan.

After the war and decolonisation it claims the islands of the South China Sea and participates in the Korean War. Limited Communist insurgencies occur during the Cold War but do not succeed and the Ostenilles develops into a first world democracy.

Language: Ostensich or Ostensprach is a West Germanic Language derived from Dutch and Low German, baring some similarities to Anglo-Frisian languages also. It has significant loan words from local Austronesian Languages, Chinese, Korean and Japanese.
Ancestry: Most Ostenillers are of mixed European and Austronesian ancestry with significant East Asian admixture. Most European ancestry hails from the Low Countries and Northern Germany.
Religion: Mostly Protestant Christianity of either Lutheran or Reformed denominations. A significant Catholic minority of both Rhinelander and pre-Ostend decent (so Spanish, Tungning etc.). Islam is a majority in some areas of Mindanao and indigenous folk beliefs are still adhered to by rural, tribal communities and have a large presence in popular culture.
Culture: Strongly influenced by Dutch and German culture: Bikes, beer, cheese and windmills. Obviously intermixed with strong Asian influences but in effect considered a 'Neo-Europe' culturally and linguistically. Highly multicultural.
 
Iacobus

Iacobus

Another one totally unrelated to the previous one

Chinetan

POD: Lives on a altgeo landmass in the Mid-Atlantic called Antillia internationally but Achinet natively. They settled it some 2500 years ago from North Africa alongside various other ethnic groups of the Atlantic Bronze Age. They're identity prevailed and assimulated most of the others.

Language: Chinetan Languages. The standardised official dialect is Modern High Chinetan but there are Northern, Central and Southern dialects that are very distinct from one another. These languages are part of the Berber-Chinetan sub-family of Afro-Asiatic languages. There closest relatives are the Guanche Languages of the Canary Islands and Hesperides. A significant number of self identified Chinetans speak English or Portuguese as a primary language.
Ancestry: Genetic research suggests the native Chinetans are most closely related to Guanches, Kabyle Berbers and Basque people (including Luberrians, Vasconic people living in northern Antilla). Phenotypically Chinetans tend to have higher instances of Blonde or Red Hair and Blue/Green eyes compared to other Afro-Asiatic languages speakers. In the past few centuries due to an influx of European settlers many Chinetans have Western European Ancestry mostly hailing from Iberia or the British Isles.
Religion: Chinetan Paganism is still widely practised as an organised faith with officially recognised festivals. The Cult of Chaxiraxi is the most widespread denomination and subset of beliefs that took form between 700 and 1000 AD as a response to Christian influences. Chaxiraxi is a Mother Goddess and her worship draws many parallels to the veneration of the Virgin Mary. Christianity is also widely practised, most among communities of recent European decent (post 1400's) and are evenly split between Catholics and Protestants.
Culture: Heavily influence by European culture but with it's own unique qualities such as a continuous tradition of Pagan belief, goddess worship, matrilineal inheritance and succession, sustained local monarchical customs (Menceydom), folk festivities including Benesmer, a famous harvest festival that is a national holiday alongside Christmas. Achinet is a developed first-world mixed economy with a large tourist sector and an impressive historic and natural heritage. It has four official languages: High Chinetan, Luberrian Basque, English and Portuguese.
 

Hvalrossen

AnonymousSauce said:
What happened to the Sentinelese in this scenario?
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Historic records indicate that the inhabitants of the North Sentinel island was once visited by merchants from the Danish East India Company. During this visit the Sentinelese traded with representatives from the Danish India Company. The contingent from the Danish East India Company left behind a priest as they departed. Two years later the office in Fredriksborg(Port Blair) sent a expedition to check upon the priest. They were interested in information about the island, the natives and about how the christianisation of the natives were progressing. They were not met by any tribesmen when they landed on the beach. Later they sent search parties to look for the priest and any natives. Only two men and one girl had been found alive during the search, but scattered bones were found. After two weeks of searching, the expedition left for Fredriksborg where they would report the news.
Once they arived in Fredriksborg the Sentinelese were sent to a local prison. One of the Sentinelese males died during the trip due to injuries that he had recieved in fights with their captors. There the surviving Sentinelese were met by a language expert who learned their languages aswell as teaching them Danish. The two men that was captored were brothers, while the girl was the daughter of man who had died of injuries incurred during his capture. They told that shortly after the first expeditionary ship had left, disease had begun to kill the islands inhabitants. At first their had been panick. Later some began to blame the priest, who fled to a islet with a small band of supporters. They were late attacked by a band of survivors from the mainland North Sentinel who believed that the disease had been a punishment from the gods for turning towards the new god. The two brothers had avoided taking part in the clash, fleeing before it took place. The battle that unfolded ended with the christian faction being victorious. After the battle the christians forced the vanquised to join or serve them(most of whom were women and children). Some weeks latera ship had picked up the Priest and his followers(and their subjects), who numbered around 27 people. It is not known what happened to those who boarded the ship. The ship could have sunk at sea, and those aboard drowned. Rumors claim that the priest and his followers were sold into slavery in Thailand, but these rumors have never been confirmed. Their fate remains a mystery.
The surviving Sentinelese man was later hired to head a settlement commision for the North Sentinel island. During which he would help map the islands resources and geography.

This is just one possibility.
It is more likely that the Sentinelese are forced to work in plantations, or converted to christianity while they continue to life their traditional lifestyle.
 
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